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Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
A Short Tale, as the veteran members of the board may fondly (or not so fondly!) remember, is a rather peculiar form of RP. Because of this;

Everybody who wishes to take part must read this post, carefully and in its entirety, before posting on the RP.

Sorry for shouting, but it is really quite easy for people to confuse matters.

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The basic rule is that only one word of the story is posted at a time. One may not post two successive words, nor may they collaborate with another on which words should be posted, either through MT or otherwise. Of course, I cannot enforce this, but doing so takes the whole point away. You may add any punctuation directly before or after a word.

The person who completes a sentence should, usually by editing their post afterwards (to avoid simultaneous posts) put in the entire sentence. It may occasionally be neccessary to make minor alterations at this point for the sentence to make sense. Every few sentences, it would be helpful if someone were to post a summary of the story so far, both in the thread itself and here.

The story should make sense. The first version of this RP failed because it became disjointed nonsense. So please, please try and make coherent sentences that further a particular storyline. Don't jump around too much.

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I will make a request that for the first two pages of the story, only people who were involved in the previous two should post, just to get the ball moving. After that, anyone may post, providing they have read these rules and endeavour to keep to them.

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Now, on with the story!
 
Posted by Minas Morgul (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Would you accept me as an apprentice? I'm new around here.
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
Honestly, Laur, did you have to start with a predictable, ordinary article?
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Yes, you may both join.

Why would I edit my message, Minas Morgul?

Bethberry seems to think that the answer to everything is speed. It is, in point of fact, wit.

Edited: repeatedly.

[ 04-27-2002, 05:27 AM: Message edited by: The Laurenendôrian ]
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
Because Laur and I were engaging unknowingly in a posting duel.

And I caught my faux pas and deleted before he posted about it.

[ 04-26-2002, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]
 
Posted by Minas Morgul (Citizen # 867) on :
 
I'll wait till you settle down and stop editing your message here.
 
Posted by Minas Morgul (Citizen # 867) on :
 
And I was waiting for the thread to refresh. []

And you seem to think wit is. Admit it, I always have you pinned to the ground.

[ 04-26-2002, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: Minas Morgul ]
 
Posted by Minas Morgul (Citizen # 867) on :
 
I went into the RP thread when I saw Minas Morgul as the last poster (on the main page) and then the post looked familiar.
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Reason enough for there to be a changing back of names, methinks.
 
Posted by Minas Morgul (Citizen # 867) on :
 
You think? How nice! But how does it matter what you think?
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Could somebody please delete their post? We seem to have two main verbs.
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Flood Control! This is a big problem with this thread o master!

And I think I posted first. []
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
What happened? Will go check and delete.
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Where is Pilsbury??
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Asleep.
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Eöl, is 'resolve' supposed to follow the 'now'?
 
Posted by Eöl the Dark Elf (Citizen # 411) on :
 
Nope

*goes to edit*
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
don't edit it
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
I'm not changing mine, so you go back and change yours back.
 
Posted by Eöl the Dark Elf (Citizen # 411) on :
 
Edited twice, happy now Rocky [] []
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Yes Sir! I thought I was smart to make resolve fit in. Then you go and change it to "it". []

[ 04-28-2002, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: Lugbúrz ]
 
Posted by Eöl the Dark Elf (Citizen # 411) on :
 
You know, even with Bb's post 'resolve' would still make sense...
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
The semi-colon after 'truth' has been made grammatically incorrect.

*curtsies sadly but respectfully*
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Oh. May I ask how?
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
Ignoring this proved a disruptively difficult experiance, but despite frustrations she acknowledged the truth; that proving anything would be a dangerous
---------------------
proposition, and

~~~

It would appear that "that..." is a clause modifying "truth" and semi-colons do not separate nouns from modifiers.

It could be corrected without removing the semi-colon only if the "that proving anything..." turns out to be a nominative clause acting like a noun and followed by its own verb. Given that we now have an "and", it could prove to be a humdinger of a nominative clause.
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
I'm not familiar with the term 'humdinger'.

Could it not run something like the following?
"Ignoring this proved a disruptively difficult experiance, but despite frustrations she acknowledged the truth; that proving anything would be a dangerous proposition, and that twice two makes four."

Edit: or would that call for 'truths' in place of 'truth'?

[ 04-28-2002, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: The Laurenendôrian ]
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Bethberry perhaps means that we would have a rather nice clause in place.

Laur, in the example you provided, it is my opinion that it would fit much better with a comma after "frustrations" and no punctuation before "that".

Let me see if I could suggest something for the present sentence.

[ 04-28-2002, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Lugbúrz ]
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Ignoring this proved a disruptively difficult experiance, but despite frustrations she acknowledged the truth; that proving anything would be a
--------
Example:
simple proposition, and would be completed in a short time, could no longer be hoped for.
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Maybe not any better.
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Oh. I just went and changed the offending final word.
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
The problem is the relationship of words and punctuation here:

quote:
truth; that
If you take out the semicolon, then what follows is not separated from what it moderates.

This is the simplest answer.

This is not a sentence:
quote:
that proving anything would be a dangerous proposition."
If we take out "that", then it will be.

[ 04-28-2002, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
quote:
that proving anything would be a dangerous proposition is something she had come to understand.

This is a complete sentence, is it not?
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
Yes, indeed, Lug. That is what my first post said was needed if the semi-colon remains.

Brick by brick we structure a grammar; you are well named, it seems!

*dances a happy jig*

[ 04-28-2002, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Then I think we may be able to salvage the sentence without any further changes.

*does not know how to dance very well, so sits down in a corner hoping nobody asks him to dance*
 
Posted by Mandin (Citizen # 415) on :
 
*wonders if he is a dunce for thinking the story at present a bit confusing*
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
I agree with everything you have said Mandin. []

I find it hard to understand how researching one's roots for a year is not resolve enough. "unattainable" is not realisitic, I mean I feel resolved if I can research anything specific for more than a couple of months.
 
Posted by The Pyro Girl (Citizen # 1121) on :
 
Would it be alright if I joined your RP?
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
To those wishing to join the story:
please read the first post of this thread, as it contains all of the relevant information.
 
Posted by Wandering Tuor (Citizen # 1685) on :
 
Laurenendorian - I did read the instructions. Honest.
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Well in that case, you may just have stumbled across the bit in there giving details about joining in.
 
Posted by The Lady Galadriel (Citizen # 1941) on :
 
Perhaps I may join?
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
Ok, continuing our discussion in this thread where it should be. Owing to everyone avoiding this thread, I posted there directly.

Cern: I know it was written as the sentence developed, but our intent should be to try to make it fit. Since this was not done, and in my opinion very difficult in this case, we must either edit the sentence or delete the punctuation.

Or just let Laur worry about it. []

[] Wandering Tuor: you're a really lonely soul. []
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
Moved here:

Lug is correct. The comma is redundant after the parentheses and in fact separates items which ought not to be separated (verb and adverbial phrase). Punctuation for included units must be correlative and that is accomplished by the ( ).

Reference: A University Grammar of English, Quirk and Greenbaum, Longmans. Appendix III.5.

The sentence in question:

quote:
Now that others were following the same path, she needed a guide who would be able, without fail, to show her the path that would not lead (even though dangers were inevitable), straight into trouble.
Bb

[ 05-09-2002, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]
 
Posted by Bethberry (Citizen # 1217) on :
 
Laur,

I believe that the correct word here would be might rather than may:
quote:
Well in that case, you may just have stumbled across the bit in there giving details about joining in.
may=permission
might=probability

Again, reference is Quirk and Greenbaum.

Bb

[ 05-09-2002, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Bethberry, I don't believe that I've heard that before. Consulting the Collins dictionary tells me that might is the past and subjunctive form of may. Given in the possible meanings of both words is one which indicates possibility, and under might it says that that usage might be seen as a weak form of the corresponding meaning of may.

It also has a more detailed note on usage:
quote:
The difference between may and might is one of emphasis: he might be coming usually indicates less certainty than he may be coming. Similarly, might I have it? is felt to be more hesitant than may I have it?
You may demolish my argument.
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Oh, I agree that comma is ungrammatical. A pair of parentheses should not create any extra punctuation in the rest of the sentence (that which is not contained by them, that is).
 
Posted by Cernunnos (Citizen # 652) on :
 
I've only just read this . . perhaps the next time the story is written out in full the offending comma could be abolished.
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
That sounds like a reasonable solution.
 
Posted by Robyn (Citizen # 2131) on :
 
Hello, I hope that you all did not mind me just butting in like that. The story is going good isnt it.
 
Posted by AmyTheElementMage (Citizen # 2081) on :
 
If I start to get in the way, tell me.
 
Posted by Wandering Tuor (Citizen # 1685) on :
 
I don't want to butt in to the actual thread again -- can I participate ?
 
Posted by AmyTheElementMage (Citizen # 2081) on :
 
Hee hee hee. ....mother.. []
 
Posted by Cernunnos (Citizen # 652) on :
 
I certainly don't mind, Wandering Tuor, but then it's not my thread . . .
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
I don't think that the last 'sentence' is actually a sentence.
 
Posted by Celebrían (Citizen # 2057) on :
 
Sir Laur, may I participate?
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
I stand by what I said about who could post in the first post of this thread.

Who would I be to deny you, anyway?
 
Posted by Aelish (Citizen # 3520) on :
 
Sounds absolutely intriguing...
May I? *takes literary liberty and joins in*
 
Posted by Khalid (Citizen # 3466) on :
 
quote:
Suddenly, nothing quite mananged to happen.
How could nothing manage to happen suddenly?
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
O ye of little imagination.
 
Posted by Meneldil (Citizen # 417) on :
 
Khalid, its quite simple, imagining something happening suddenly, lets say there a sudden bang. Got that? Right, now remove the bang. You've then got a Sudden nothing
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
[]
 
Posted by Meneldil (Citizen # 417) on :
 
[]
 
Posted by Khalid (Citizen # 3466) on :
 
Using the same imaginary thoughts, you were speaking silently in your last two posts [] ?
 
Posted by Meneldil (Citizen # 417) on :
 
Don't be silly, you can't speak silently! []
 
Posted by Celebrían (Citizen # 2057) on :
 
Meneldil, I hope you don't mind me ignoring the period and extending the sentence. There are many twists and turns this sentence can take.

[ 04-19-2003, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Celebrían ]
 
Posted by Khalid (Citizen # 3466) on :
 
Celebrían -

quote:
Suddenly, nothing quite managed to happen the
I think that's grammatically wrong? Shouldn't the 'the' be a 'to'?
 
Posted by Celebrían (Citizen # 2057) on :
 
Khalid, that depends on what happens next.
 
Posted by Khalid (Citizen # 3466) on :
 
Ok, although I don't know anyway to continue it correctly.

Khalid
 
Posted by Celebrían (Citizen # 2057) on :
 
Curufin, nice plot twist!
 
Posted by Khalid (Citizen # 3466) on :
 
Indeed! I couldn't think of something that actually fit in there.
 
Posted by Celebrían (Citizen # 2057) on :
 
Meneldil, at Lugbúrz's prompting I apologize for not waiting for your reply before posting to the RP thread. We can delete easily enough, and start anew. Your thoughts?
 
Posted by Meneldil (Citizen # 417) on :
 
Thats fine, don't worry Celebrian
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
So there's a word aside! I should've remembered that!

How did this get past the gatekeepers?

quote:
A problem, greatly involving the way they were heading.
Makes our present sentence like a quote from Mark Twain in comparison.

The tail is supposed to speak a tale, not just form meaningful sentences! Let's delete that sentence out and make sure we approve of a full stop before we begin a new sentence.
 
Posted by Celebrían (Citizen # 2057) on :
 
Lugbúrz, I agree we don't want to be too hasty. Perhaps we should also acknowledge the effort taken to get that far into what appears to be a side comment. We could enclose it in parentheses and add it to the sentence prior.

[ 04-28-2003, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: Celebrían ]
 
Posted by Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
quote:
After that, anyone may post, providing they have read these rules and endeavour to keep to them.
Which I have done and will do.
So I have joined and posted.

btw, *bump*
 
Posted by Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
*another bump*
*double-posting should be OK after a month*

Just so that people can see that there is a Word Aside to this Tale, and that there are rules for how it works.
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
Very sorry
 
Posted by Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
That's better! Thank you!

Edit:
Everyone: Remember NOT to include your signature. It should never be included in RPs anyway, and it's especially confusing here.

So if you've got yours in, please remove it.

[ 04-26-2004, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: Barufiniel ]
 
Posted by Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Just take care that this is meant to be a coherent story! Make sure it carries on the content of the beginning of the tale. This is not like the five word story that is just ranting on.
 
Posted by Indil (Citizen # 4434) on :
 
I'm sorry. I edited.
 
Posted by Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Thank you, that's better! Now we can edit away the OOC comments in the tale as well.

And as you can read earlier in this Word Aside, it has often been used to discuss whether a sentence makes sense or not. So we can do that here if we need to.
 
Posted by Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Please don't forget what we're writing about!
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
I'm trying not to..
 
Posted by Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Very good!
And I've finished another sentence again. With my other main contribution to the Green Dragon, I just couldn't resist ... []
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
* BUMP *
 
Posted by Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Hope that helps ...
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
* BUMP *

again.. []
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
[] @ Manwe and all the "*BUMPS*"

[]
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
WOLFY! []

E- and yes, I've been doing alot of bumping lately.. []

[ 06-10-2004, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Manwë Súlimo ]
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
Why are you " [] " at me

*Backs away into a corner [] *
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
Because it was such a shock for me to see you again.
Hadn't seen you.
I like you so much! []

*Pulls Wolfy out the corner*
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
[]
*hugs Manwe*

[] I posted []
[]
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
Could you plz explain why Hylian Hero called me an idiot ( [] ) in the Battle of the Pics thread?
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
[]
I have no idea either!
[]
Afterall, it takes one to know one []

*runs away before she [] *

[]
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
Don't be afraid... []

[ 06-10-2004, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: Manwë Súlimo ]
 
Posted by The Laurenendôrian (Citizen # 106) on :
 
Could you keep the number of totally irrelevant posts in this thread down, please?
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
Sure, I understand []
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
New sentence
[]
 
Posted by Varnafindë aka Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
We cross-posted there. Manwë, would you like me to edit my entry to "smallest", then you can go on with your next?

If I just delete mine, it will look like you double-posted.

And "the most smallest" would look like bad grammar.
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
There is two "smallest" now
 
Posted by Varnafindë aka Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Yes, I just changed mine.

So should you just go on, and we ask Manwë to delete his later?

E:
And could you go over your posts in the tale and delete the signatures?
They are in the way in the tale itself (they are fine in here).

[ 06-11-2004, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: Varnafindë aka Barufiniel ]
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
oops!

* [] goes to do that*


DONE []

[ 06-11-2004, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: Silver Wolf ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë aka Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Very nice! []

I think you could post next.
I'll leave my explanation up until Manwë has deleted his post, and then we should be back on track.

I've PM'ed him about it as well, but I've directed him here, so he should find out.
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
Shall we continue? I just posted there!
 
Posted by Varnafindë aka Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I could try to think of something, but I'll be going out for a while soon.

We spend so much time on the details that we nearly lose track of the whole sentence. []

E:
But now there's only that extra post of Manwë's that needs to be removed.

[ 06-11-2004, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: Varnafindë aka Barufiniel ]
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
I have to go!

[ 06-11-2004, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: Silver Wolf ]
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
*BUMP!!!*

*this is usually ment to be Manwe's job [] [] *
 
Posted by Manwë Súlimo (Citizen # 4429) on :
 
Thanx []
 
Posted by Varnafindë aka Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
How can an ornament pour or be poured?

Does it make sense in the story?
We're meant to be getting somewhere.
 
Posted by Silver Wolf (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
-

Take the next word then []
 
Posted by Varnafindë aka Barufiniel (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Did I kill the Short Tale?

Do go on posting - I think it would be suitable to start a new sentence now.

[ 07-04-2004, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: Varnafindë aka Barufiniel ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Since someone else revived the Tale, we're likely to need the AWA thread as well.

so double-post and
*BUMP*
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Don't tell me I killed it again.
Last time I killed it, it stayed dead for two years. []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
You didn't kill it. I just wasn't paying attention. Something to do with my qwerty crashing, and getting a new/used tower a couple days later, and not getting the new tower on the Web till a couple days after that.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Thank you!
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
If the next poster needs 'an' instead of 'a', are we then allowed to edit? Or is that too close to planning the story?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
I have questions; does "she" have a name yet? Are we allowed to give her one? If we do name her, shouldn't her name be put near the beginning of the story?
Also, if MANDOS seriously messes this up, can we have him/er banned?
 
Posted by Adanedhel (Citizen # 1011) on :
 
MANDOS could you please delete your previous post? It really doesn't make any sense and makes it so much harder for the sentence/story to continue.

Thanks.

Ad
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
MANDOS, Adan is right; you should delete your last word. It makes no sense; the point is not to throw the sentence so far off that no one could make it make sense. Quit being such a troll.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
From the First Post:
quote:
The story should make sense. The first version of this RP failed because it became disjointed nonsense. So please, please try and make coherent sentences that further a particular storyline. Don't jump around too much.
The point is to make it make sense, not to create a nonsense rambling. Keep that to the Pirates RP - that is designed for delightful nonsense, while this story isn't.

So Mandos, please remove that word that doesn't contribute to the storyline.
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
I'm sorry... but MANDOS' involvement in "A Short Tale" was doomed to a mist of confusion.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I feared it from the start ...
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
Smart girl. []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
MANDOS, take your post out of the thread!
~~~
That was my reaction, as well.
"ARGH, MANDOS has joined the short tale! He's sure to mess it up!"
Which was why I asked if he could be banned when My theory proved correct.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
If he reads this thread at all, that is ...

We could perhaps ignore his impossible word, go on without it, and ask WGW to remove his post?
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
You don't understand?

Okay, I inserted a comment in bracets that might help us along.

Put a period at the end of that word if you want and the sentence will make more sense.

[ 08-18-2006, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: MANDOS ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Grammatically it makes sense, although I don't know whether the subject matter does.

But now we can at least discuss it ...

And keep your comments in here, don't put them in the main thread, that's what this thread is for.

Also, remember from the first post: "Don't jump around too much." Rambling can be confusing to the participants as well.

Edit:
Remove that comment from the main thread, post it in here instead. And we're not to discuss what comes next - if a word is so obscure that we have to tell each other what could come next, we should choose a different word.

[ 08-18-2006, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: Varnafindë ]
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
MANDOS, no. Your suggestion doesn't work, your comment doesn't work, your word doesn't work. Varna's right; if you have to suggest the next word, you're messing up the story and breaking the rules. Just DELETE YOUR POST! []
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Okay, I'll do that...but will you please delete your face Lyra?

Reguardless if you do or not, I'll delete my post and post something new.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
just a suggestion here:

The next word after the word that I just posted after deleting the last one that caused a good rumble between and other people here MIGHT be "in" as in "in her eyes from using too many dried leaves in her pipe." - THAT was JUST a suggestion.

[ 08-18-2006, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: MANDOS ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I chose a slightly different direction, perhaps with less roundabouts.
Hope we will be able to go on from here.
And if we're keeping strictly to the rules, I don't think we're supposed to give each other suggestions in advance - only to get us out of a tight corner.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Good one, I think that is the best option, and I hope someone will use it on me in the future when I've bounced my ball a little too far out of bounds.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
We'll remember that []

Usually we post the whole story when a sentence has been finished, but it hasn't been posted for a while now, so I thought it would be good to have it near the top of the page.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Good show.
~~~
Is there any rule about just two people bouncing the thing back and forth? I've been hesitant to post when there's only been one word since my last one.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
No, I don't think there's anything wrong with two players bouncing it back and forth for a little while. It has been done before.

Doing it for pages on end might not be such a good idea, though, but apart from that it should be OK.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Okay.
All the same, I think I'll give others a chance to join in this morning, and check back after I get home.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
A comment from a different thread:
quote:
a word that doesn't fit the sentence structure, needing an article before the adjective he posted
Unless the next adjective and the noun are plural. It's rather restricting, though, and not one that leads up to driving the story onwards along a logical storyline, either.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Methinks MANDOS' logic circuits are thoroughly fried, actually.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
What candles, you troll? They're outside! Candles doesn't work! Quit messing up this thread with your stuff that doesn't make sense! []
It would make sense for the wind to blow away the bookmark with the creepy amulet, or the stench of the bartenders, or any number of other things. It would make sense for a breeze to blow out candles, if we were in a place where candles would be lit. But blowing away the candles is questionable at best. So take it out, and if you can't post sensibly, than stop posting here!

[ 08-30-2006, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: LyraLuthien Tinuviel ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I see that I have to quote from the first post again:
quote:
The story should make sense. The first version of this RP failed because it became disjointed nonsense. So please, please try and make coherent sentences that further a particular storyline. Don't jump around too much.
MANDOS, your latest word contributes to "jumping around too much". It's difficult for us to try to further a particular storyline when you keep sidetracking it. So stop it, or stop posting altogether.
Remove those candles - we can't use them. I don't want this version also to become disjointed nonsense.
 
Posted by The Swordmaster (Citizen # 1302) on :
 
Can we not just start ignoring his posts if he keeps doing this? Or if he doesn't delete them can we ask WGW?

I've only just started joining in with this, and until MANDOS joined it seemed to make sense, but..
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
WGW can delete individual posts if needed.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
So how much longer do we wait before we request that?
And are we going on with the next word(s) before or after the candles are removed?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
MANDOS, do remove the word 'candles'.

In case you didn't read my previous post carefully enough to notice that, I'm repeating it. I'd rather have you remove it yourself than have to report it to WGW.

We'll then see what happens next time he's online.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
And from today onwards noone is allowed to delete their posts, so he can't do it. I'll ask WGW to do it instead.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
He was online two or three times since the last request to delete it, too. In the Green Dragon, no less. I'm thinking he probably read our repeated requests, and decided not to honor them. Perhaps because of the games being played with him in his own bizarre RP. []
So, will we go on before or after the candles are deleted? Either way, I can't post next, as I posted the word before MANDOS'.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I'd say we wait for WGW to delete before we go on. It should make it simpler for him.

Yes, MANDOS has had his chance to honor our request ... []
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Hold yer britches there! There's been like ten posts in this Word Aside since the last time I checked.

Okay, Candles snuffed. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Thanks for snuffing the candles - but the alternative isn't much better ...

Couldn't you post something that fits in with something that's already written, rather than introduce something so far off that we have to twist the story again and again to incorporate it?
quote:
The first version of this RP failed because it became disjointed nonsense.
I was hoping that wouldn't need to happen with this one. Please help us away from the nonsense rather than towards it.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Could we get this going again?
Now that MANDOS' post is changed into something more workable ( [] ), there's new hope []

Edit:
Like I said ...

[ 09-14-2006, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Varnafindë ]
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Please, MANDOS, I'm begging you. You have shown yourself capable of being reasonable. Post something sensible, not random weirdness. The action is in the town of Bree, on a street outside an Inn. There are three creepy bartenders, one of whom holds the book out of which the pages are falling. There is a young woman with a stick ready to spring into action if they do anything threatening. Keep it real. For example, the pages couldn't fall into the sea, or the sky, or your left eye.
Please keep the story moving so it doesn't go stale over a week or two while we try to figure out what to do with a bizarre twist that makes no sense.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
You've got my vote of confidence in you voting for me confidently...you got it Lyra.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Sonwdog, why?
We can't even ask you to delete that post.
*looks into disowning board parents and sockpuppetmasters*
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
We'll leave it out of the story.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
MANDOS, you did it! I knew you could! I'm so proud of you!!! *hugs*
~~~
Now, will it be necessary to report Snowdog's post to WGW, to get rid of it?
 
Posted by The Swordmaster (Citizen # 1302) on :
 
Quick question - is it the pages that are falling into her hand, or the book itself?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Since the story says "was falling", the grammar shows that it was the book itself.

If we want to get rid of Snöwdog's post, WGW will have to remove it.

I'm very pleased that we are really getting somewhere now! []
 
Posted by The Swordmaster (Citizen # 1302) on :
 
just wanted to check []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
So, who's going to report it? If all three of us do, does that get us more noticed, or does it just annoy the Steward no end?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
One report should be enough. You could do it if you like ... []
 
Posted by Athene (Citizen # 3473) on :
 
Sorry to interrupt ladies, but have you PMd Snowdog to change his post to a blank? That would work with the edit function. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
That might be enough, actually ...

We've already ignored the contents, so just removing it would make sense.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Well, I've reported the post.
I'm thinking that under the menacing gaze of three unsavory bartenders is not the best place for our heroine (I'm still thinking she needs a name) to be trying to unstick bloody pages in the book. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Fair enough []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Where's Swordmaster got to? Did she have some RL work to do?
I believe we've had the longest two-posters-exchange there has been so far. Now it's me who's worried whether it's alright for me to add the next word or not []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Please just do!
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Would 'blown' be grammatically correct there? Or is 'been' necessary first?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
It's all right as it is, I think.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
From the first post, again:
quote:
It may occasionally be neccessary to make minor alterations at this point for the sentence to make sense.
So when we've finished the sentence, we'll see whether "to" indeed needs to be changed into "toward". (Or "towards", but that is the British spelling.)
 
Posted by The Swordmaster (Citizen # 1302) on :
 
Would post - but I'm not sure what goes after MANDOS' post - do books have pockets?
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
book pocket...as in: the book pocket hanging tuggiously from my pants, where it has been lazily sown. Or something of this here nature...yah. []

[ 09-20-2006, 03:44 AM: Message edited by: MANDOS ]
 
Posted by The Swordmaster (Citizen # 1302) on :
 
Um - MANDOS - that still doesn't make any sense.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
MANDOS, you're not trying to explain it, you're just giving us an example.

And the example doesn't make sense either.

It would help if you could change your entry into something that doesn't need three levels of explanation.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
I agree.
And it is now unanimous: Your post doesn't work, MANDOS, so please change it.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
A book-pocket is a pocket that you put books in...it works.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Not really. It makes sense to tuck the pages back into the book out of which they fell.
Perhaps we should end the sentence after the word "book," and you should edit your post to be the first word of the next sentence.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I agree with Lyra. A new sentence would be better.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
I see your point there, but perhaps, and just perhaps, she put the pages and the book cover in two separate places? (so that, say, if an enemy is after the book, she can leave the book cover for him to find, but secretly be stashing the pages on her person) That would explain why she would be putting the pages into a book pocket on herself instead of straight back into the book....interesting twist maybe?

If not, I can of course delete what I posted.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Why would we want to make it so complicated?
Just post something that will start the next sentence, and I will put a period at the end of my post. Please.
I still think that getting her away from the barkeeps needs to be the next order of business.

[ 09-21-2006, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: LyraLuthien Tinuviel ]
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
okay, edit complete.

[ 09-21-2006, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: MANDOS ]
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Thank you.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Why do I get to be the one who frequently inserts the articles, prepositions, and coordinating conjunctions?
I'm bored!
[]
 
Posted by Amárië (Citizen # 5498) on :
 
I love our similie!
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
I'm thinking the sentence should end here.
 
Posted by Amárië (Citizen # 5498) on :
 
Yes, me too.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
quote:
Why do I get to be the one who frequently inserts the articles, prepositions, and coordinating conjunctions?
I'm bored!

You got to post some of the good stuff right now []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Snoring? Outside on the street in front of a stable, and someone is snoring? Once again, I'm going, MANDOS! WTF OMG DAB!
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Have you never heard of: Snoring their approval and hutnot?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
No. A word that furthers the story would be appreciated.
You were doing well there for a while, but really. Snoring is an odd word to put here.
 
Posted by Snöwdog (Citizen # 15) on :
 
I always took these one word post-count spam-type things as jokes, but you guys are so serious! []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
This one is meant to be serious, yes. There's a 3 words thread in the Pony that is only a joke. Noone has posted to it for a couple of years.

I've tried to use Mandos' word - it's rather odd, though, as you say, Lyra. If it's better that both of us change our words, say so.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Alright
 
Posted by Mad Matt The Courageous (Citizen # 5409) on :
 
This is Lyra on MadMatt's login, as it's quicker than logging out and in again.
Actually, yes, I'd prefer that they be changed. I don't see how it makes sense to hear snoring guests from out in front of the stables, either. Snoring horses, perhaps, or a snoring person hiding in the hay in the stable. But it would be easier to do something entirely different from snoring. Looking at the book and trying to make sense of it, for instance. Or getting the heck off the street before the barkeepers decide they want the bloody book back enough to start a fight.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Draftily put Lyra (in the best way possible of course).

I'll delete "Snoring" (and the other drafty word I put two spaces after), and replace it with something better. Something more point the to.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Point the to, yes, that's keep we want to what it. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I hope that helps ...
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Depends on what MANDOS does.
And what he's on next time he's here.
*waits for MANDOS*
*has pillows hidden behind back*
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
MANDOS, could you edit your post now and tell us here when you've done so?
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
You've got it Varne (wiggles furry tail to please her).

[ 10-03-2006, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: MANDOS ]
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Blast it, MANDOS. I had such high hopes of you last week; you were playing so nicely.
Now I'm just hoping you're high again, because no one should be able to think such thoughts unless they are on some really good $h!t.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
I tread lightly...on toes.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
No! Bad MANDOS! Bobo does that!
They were looking for a quiet corner, you idiot.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Well, the word I put there just makes it seem like there were brawls everywhere, but they found the QUIETEST brawl to be in the middle of.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Being in the middle of a brawl would not further the story; it would sidetrack it (again).
If there was going to be a brawl, there could have been one with the barkeeps outside when she snatched up the book and its pages.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
No, no, you see...their just "passing through" the brawl...it's some sort of background disturbance they don't have to pay attention to.

Would it be better if I put fist-fight instead? Than they'd have to dodge the fists, and THAT might not further the story. The whole point would shift to a short sort of suvival mode involving a run-in with an ancient book-snatcher on stilts pretending to be a giant.

[ 10-16-2006, 02:29 AM: Message edited by: MANDOS ]
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
You're weird.
~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
I have PMS and a handgun.
Hand over the chocolate and no one gets hurt.
 
Posted by Eryndil (Citizen # 3905) on :
 
Not weird, he just frequently behaves with immature stupidity.

[ 10-16-2006, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: Eryndil ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I just wish he wouldn't do it here. []
quote:
The whole point would shift to a short sort of suvival mode involving a run-in with an ancient book-snatcher on stilts pretending to be a giant.
Oh please ... []
That's as side-tracking as anything.

Once before, there was a word that was absolutely impossible as a part of the story. We chose to ignore it and have not included it in the story. I wonder if we could do the same here? The difference is that the poster then only posted once and probably hadn't realised at the time of posting that this was meant to be a coherent story. With a word from one of the regular posters it might be more difficult ...
 
Posted by Amárië (Citizen # 5498) on :
 
Just ignore his posts, maybe? Until he starts making sense, anyway.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
I like how you delicately refer to everyone else as people who aren't you by calling them "others" Varna.

I've changed the word.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Thank you, MANDOS []
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
I'm sorry Lyra & Varna- but this thread(the "word aside") cracks me up. The past five pages are filled with Mandos posting something inappropriate, everybody getting mad, him trying to explain himself, him changing his word, and then the whole scenario repeats itself... []

Mandos- why on earth do you still post in "A Short Tale" when it's obvious that your brand of humour/story-telling isn't appreciated there? You are tenacious, if nothing else... this must be very frustrating for you, and all you are doing is giving the others a headache.

[ 10-17-2006, 05:01 AM: Message edited by: Thingol of Doriath ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
We do seem to have gotten into a pattern ... []
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
*anticipates new problem*

*pops popcorn*
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
It seems to be grammatical this time.

Makes a change ... []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
*sigh*
So do we petition MANDOS to change it, or ignore it and move on?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Will it make sense if we insert "and" in front of it?
We would have to pretend that it has been posted by somebody, and include it next time we write out the full story.

You could even add it as an "emergency edit" in your post, to remind us. And you could then post next, after Mandos.

We would ruin some of the fun for Thingol, of course, but he would just have to live with it []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
If we add "and un-" in front of "curled," we could make it "uncurled the pages of the book..."
But that would be planning ahead, wouldn't it. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Oops - I posted before reading that post of yours.
So now we're not really planning ahead after all ... []
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Thanks for trying to snatch my toes out of the fire....but I think I'll just edit mine to fit.

You guys crack me up.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Um, I just read story, and I could either keep my post the way it was, or we could tweek it back the way it was before it was just tweeked, and I would then remove the word "curled" and put something else there?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I'll let Lyra decide that.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Looks to me like we can go on from here.
Unless my two+ word post is a bad breach in the rules.
Don't go putting me in charge, now; I'm such a control-freak.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
quote:
Unless my two+ word post is a bad breach in the rules.
You could add a reference to this thread, to show anyone who feels concerned, that it was a necessary move to clear up a tangle.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Isn't that what we just did?
~~~
Yes, I bent the rules a little bit.
I think it was necessary to detangle the snarl MANDOS put in the works.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I mean a reference to the Aside thread from the story post that you edited. A link to the post where we just discussed it.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Grammar question: Should that be "at" rather than "to"?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Doesn't matter until the next turn uses a verb form.
Which I've done, and made the helping verb you chose work.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
So both "made an attempt to read" and "made an attempt at reading" would be equally correct? Is there any difference in how the forms are used?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Yes, I know they're both correct.
No, I don't know why, or which is better.
I'm not the grammar queen.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Pints, you idiot.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Butterburs wouldn't work?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
It definitely wouldn't. Butterbur brings pints of beer. Very simple concept. Even you should have been able to get it right.
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Okay, problem strainidrainiated.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
not
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
He has changed it again - does it work better now?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
no
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
*serves more pop-corn for the King of Doriath, next time he comes by*
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
*munch munch*

More salt, please...
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
*empties salt cellar over Swelf's head*
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I suggest we just ignore Mandos' latest post and summarise the story without it, as we did with Snöwdog's post a while ago.

The difference is that Snöwdog only posted once, and for a joke, he never tried to be a participant of the RP.

But posts that defy the intention of the first post - to make a coherent story, not just nonsense - may deserve to be ignored as well.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Works for me. Though I can't post next, as my last post immediately preceded the MANDOS post we propose to ignore.
pints. The word pints would fit nicely.
 
Posted by Amárië (Citizen # 5498) on :
 
There ya are, guys. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Thank you, dear! []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Yes, thanks, Lark!
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Funny - I've got the Top of the Page post again! []
I've had five of the last six of those []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Your last word would be "scrutinizing", wouldn't it? I nearly forgot that the sentence started with a verb in the -ing form []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Miranthridel, the story is set in Arda.
Sanskrit really doesn't fit.
Would you mind, terribly, if I asked you to change your post?
Please?
 
Posted by Miranthridel Bloom (Citizen # 3050) on :
 
I put that in there as it seemed to be what the piece was asking for - something that doesn't fit in Arda, which allows later authors to come back and explore that point or ignore it at their leisure.

Hence, I would mind changing it, but if enough people have an issue with it, I'll capitulate [] .

[]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
The technique of this story doesn't lend itself very well to complicated explorations of minor points (aka side-tracking), something that I think we've finally taught Mandos (who used to make lots of those, and worse than this one). Something from far away - even from Valinor - would be possible to explore within the framework of the story, something from a different world is not.
From the first post:
quote:
... sentences that further a particular storyline. Don't jump around too much.

 
Posted by Miranthridel Bloom (Citizen # 3050) on :
 
Right. Done.

[ 11-09-2006, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: Miranthridel Bloom ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Ooh, I like that version!
Thank you!
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Sorry, didn't mean to be so proprietary.
I like the new word better, too, though. Thank you.
The other made me wonder how on earth a young woman from anywhere in Arda would recognize Sanskrit letters. The only way to make it work would have been for her to eventually find out that her origins were here.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
So, if there are moon letter ciphers in that text, could her origins be related to Dwarves? []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
I'm thinking maybe that should be "icon," singular, Varna me dear.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
"icon" it is, then.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
*pokes*
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
In honor of one of our first PMs.
And because it fits right in with the story we're telling.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
In honor of one of our first PMs.
And because it fits right in with the story we're telling.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
That "a" can be changed to "an" if needed.

Edit:
[]
How very strange! The post(s) above refused to show up - even Lyra couldn't see it - it was only referenced in the Active Topics.
Then when I post something new, it appears!
Most peculiar!

[ 11-18-2006, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Varnafindë ]
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
twice
*wonders if this belongs in Recent Board Weirdness*
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
The current sentence is starting to become a major run-on, and needs to come to a full stop ASAP!
Thank you.

~~ Lyra the anal
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Aye, aye, boss []
Full stop added.
And you're right, of course.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Thanks.
But how do we put anything about her genealogy in a brilliantly illuminated frontsipiece? What is it, a family tree thingy?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
It doesn't need to be in the frontispiece, it says that they are looking in the book which has this frontispiece. The frontispiece would just be the first page, beautifully illustrated - but it could of course be illustrated by a family tree! Good idea!
If that is too difficult to accomplish, though, it would just be in that book.

Hmm ... are we finally approaching the end of the tale? []
I must admit - I don't think I can face another of these []
But we've had some fun [] (and some frustration [] )
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
And intelligent girl on a quest for knowledge being surrounded by a bunch of drinking strangers doesn't seem like an ending to me.

What she discovers in the parchment should lead her from the bar into the half-extinct world of her peers...the intellectuals. It should be an older society whose musings are on secrets, not motivated by slobbering suckers of bar-like sludge.

[ 12-04-2006, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: MANDOS ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I agree that her secret, when revealed, should take her somewhere else - I never thought of her being the long-lost daughter of the inn-keeper, for instance.

Don't know about such a society, but something sophisticated, anyway.

It could give the story a whole new section ... []
 
Posted by MANDOS (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
What if we introduce another element? Say.....a symbol translator?
 
Posted by The Swordmaster (Citizen # 1302) on :
 
I have had a thought, seeing as how the short tale worked so well (most of the time) I am making a suggestion to Varna and Lyra - perhaps something like this could be done again, but I would suggest that perhaps instead of a single word, we make it a sentance? I think it coudl work well.

I don't know if you ever played that game at school where you would take a sheet of paper, and the first person would write a line, then fold it down, and then the next person, etc, and then at the end you'd open it all out, and it made some silly story. This would be sort of like that only I would ask that people try to keep the flow of the story.

You could even extend it, and say each person writes a paragraph. I just think it might be an interesting twist to the standard RP's played here. What do people think?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
That's a thought - not A Short Tale, but A Medium Length Tale? []

I think I'd go for a sentence each - would be too similar to the standard RPs otherwise.
 
Posted by The Swordmaster (Citizen # 1302) on :
 
Yes - A Medium Length Tale - I like that []

I agree that a sentance would keep it more like the Short Tale, and it would mean that people cannot change the storyline too much in one go.

Well if you are interested, then if any others are, I will set up the Word aside and the thread.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
It seems Mandos beat you to it. []
 
Posted by The Swordmaster (Citizen # 1302) on :
 
Hmmmm - in fact I'm going to be childish, I don't care. I'm allowed a little childishness occasionally. I will set up my own anyway.

[ 12-04-2006, 04:34 AM: Message edited by: The Swordmaster ]
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Good plan. MANDOS's version is likely to fall into incoherency.
That's okay, though, Mandy, it's why we love you (sortof).
I'll check it out, and see about participating, later today. For now, I'm on my way out the door for a bit.
See you 'round!
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Not a bad idea.
That way both you and Mandos can decide on the rules for your own threads, and you can both influence the direction the stories take.

No need to come to an agreement if you have different ideas []

Now, let me go see if there's anything I should contribute to ...
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
And so we're at it again ... []
Thank you for reviving it, Lyra! []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
My pleasure.
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
Good luck with Luke/Mandos! []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Thanks, Thing.

Sorry, Varna; limited web access coinciding with leisure time, you know.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
How come I had never seen that before ??? [] []

Can I join ? [] I love this kind of things []
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
Read first post... [] Anyone can join in, just follow the rules.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Welcome, Inc' []
I joined this story some time after I joined MT, it had been running for a while then - sometimes it sits for months, but so far it has always been revived!

I included the whole story in my last post again, it's good to do so on a new page even though we're not at the end of a sentence. We should look at the beginning of it and try to strive towards a conclusion of what could be interpreted as a plot. Lyra and I have been discussing this a little on the last few pages.

But the rules restrict us from discussing anything more than vague directions in which to take the story - we're prohibited from doing any actual planning! []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Sorry for double-posting. I looked up and tried something to continue with "poking" ( [] ) since I guess we can't make him change it.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Please, MANDOS, don't let us have all that all over again. You did better as Luke, actually. If you don't want to work towards a common goal, but insist on taking us on random and destructive detours again, do us a favor and stay out of the thread.

We'd gladly have you as a constructive contributor, though.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Does this make any sense, even gramatically speaking ?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Grammatically there's nothing wrong with it.

Contentwise I'm afraid MANDOS is taking us on one of his detours again - he used to explain to us how his words could make sense if we used an extra sentence to get back onto track, before he usually agreed to edit instead.

I don't want all that any more. []

MANDOS, if you edit your word to something that is helpful to advance the story, fine. Otherwise we'll just have to ignore your word, pretend it's not there, and not include it when we write out the story next time (or even ask WGW to remove the post).

How long should we give him before we start ignoring him? A day?
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Yeah, it's okay for me.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Sorry again for double-posting, but what shall we do then ?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I don't think 'it' will work grammatically there. The sentence seems to be 'from her reliable, though description, object', ...

So here we need an adjective instead of 'it', and then a noun afterwards.

Then we can go on with what they say will happen without assurances from this object.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Oh, yeah, okay I get it now !! Sorry, thanks a lot []

*goes to edit* []
 
Posted by Miranthridel Bloom (Citizen # 3050) on :
 

 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Is it okay now ? Then any of you gets to choose the following adjective []

E : typo []

[ 08-22-2007, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Inc' ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Yes, an adverb to qualify the adjective is a valid part of the description. Very good.

Hope you like me reintroducing the brother []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Oops, cross-posted there - can my word still be used as an entry after yours, Inc', or should I edit?
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Well, what was your idea ? Because I looked for something which could work with "enter" and I found "to enter on" which is supposed to mean "to start in" ... but I really don't know what we can do with this verb...

[] [] []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
To enter something - to go into it - was my idea.
Enter some phase of her life, for instance.

Perhaps 'enter on' has some of the same meaning, in which case I can just leave my word as it is.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Yes, okay, I guess it works then []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
'A new path' is a nice and literary form of that, isn't it []

And I think that ends the sentence nicely as well.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Athene (Citizen # 3473) on :
 

 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
"there was a thin chance" - yep, I think that works.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Excuse me? Is a chance something that you can see or not see, according to how thin it is?

I'm not sure that word works []
 
Posted by Luke (Citizen # 5836) on :
 
the conundrum was what was thin...so it was hard to see.

you could follow up the last word "see" with a series of words after it that go like this: ", even with her glasses." []

Though I'll admit, conundrums aren't usually "thin", but I wasn't the one who posted thin. []

[ 11-16-2007, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: Luke ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
quote:
the conundrum was what was thin
No, it wasn't, the chance was.
quote:
The last chance for cracking the infernal conundrum which through centuries had overshadowed many fates, was almost too thin to see
I've bolded the main sentence here, the conundrum belongs in the minor clause. I would have advised against calling the conundrum thin, it would have been as strange as trying to see it.

I think that grammatically we need the verb 'be' right now instead of 'see', and then we can go on from there.
 
Posted by Luke (Citizen # 5836) on :
 
I trust your philosophical scrutiny.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Thank you! []
I believe my scrutiny to be more grammatical than philosophical, though []
 
Posted by Luke (Citizen # 5836) on :
 
Or more antiwitlessical.

BTW, I'd use the word "grasped" because it might flow better than "grabbed". "Grasped" is a mental action of the characters in context with the text they are examining and trying to extrapolate, and the mere act of "grabbing" it wouldn't work if they wanted to "grasp" what it said.

Although "grabbed" could refer to grabbing at the chance. It's turning into something too complicated, so let's find a period before this sentence gets so long that it makes no sense at all. Either that or we could edit some words.

[ 11-18-2007, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: Luke ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
quote:
Although "grabbed" could refer to grabbing at the chance.
"grabbed" is referring to grabbing at the chance!
I tried to show that the chance is what we have to do something to now. We're not talking about the text right here.

But on the other hand, "grabbing at" sounds to me more like "reaching for", not like capturing anything, which is what I want to express. I think "seized" is a better word, so I'll use that instead - and then I can use a period and end the sentence.

Do you see what I mean? Better?

[ 11-19-2007, 01:57 AM: Message edited by: Varnafindë ]
 
Posted by Luke (Citizen # 5836) on :
 
The whole operation just seemed to me like a more involved and yet somewhat less informative chunk of information due to words being all over the board. Placing the verb and its object at polar ends of the sentence makes it harder to concentrated on what's going on between the two words, because we're rushing through them as fast as we can, trying to find a word that goes with "chance".

Nevertheless, it was a good move going with "seized" instead of grasped. If we could have inserted it a little bit sooner it would have been even better. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
quote:
Placing the verb and its object at polar ends of the sentence makes it harder to concentrated on what's going on between the two words
Exactly, that is what happens when we insert a long description of the subject and run away with it. The trouble is, we cannot place the verb where we want it until the inserted minor clause is brought to an end. It is easier when descriptive minor clauses come after we have finished an expression. They can be fun, you know ...
 
Posted by Luke (Citizen # 5836) on :
 
Well, I don't know. If we talked like that to anyone in RL it might not be safe. (safe for [fillintheblank]) []

[ 11-22-2007, 03:25 AM: Message edited by: Luke ]
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Funny, I was thinking of bumping the thread []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I hope that sentence isn't getting too weird. I wish we could move towards a solution and a finishing of the story soon []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
It was what made most sense within the context. []

Don't ask me to explain what the deeper meaning of the sentence is, though []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
I'm not sure of this one : 'chose not to' is better, right ? Does it still work this way ?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
'chose not to' is the grammatically correct form. If that is what we've been trying to say, I suggest we both edit to rectify it.

The first post says (about at the end of sentences, but I don't think we need to wait for that when it's this obvious),
quote:
It may occasionally be neccessary to make minor alterations at this point for the sentence to make sense.
OK?
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
I'm not sure I'm getting where you're going here...(pun intended ? [] [] )
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I'm just putting one foot forward, hoping that there will be somewhere to set it down later on. If you know somewhere to go, please do.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
I still don't get what 'Thus they chose not to go the most' could mean, whatever there would be afterwards []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Don't worry, neither do I. []

Edit:
Although I think what we need next is an adjective, and after that some noun indicating a road, a path, or something like that - we should make this sentence short so that we can start a more constructive one []

[ 01-10-2008, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: Varnafindë ]
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Okay, I had found a 'solution' before reading your edit []

I'll edit, then []

E : tried to connect the 'road' or 'path' to the 'reptilian movements' of the sentence before []

[ 01-10-2008, 07:42 PM: Message edited by: Inc' ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Only remove the END bit - keep the adjective you've already posted []
(Edit: no, don't, I like your edit [] [] )
 -

Are you sure we're that close to the end of the story? I feel it would be too abrupt. There should be something more resembling a solution of the initial mystery ...

[ 01-10-2008, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Varnafindë ]
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Yes, I agree. I only posted that as a joke, because we both seemed hopeless about that part []

I find this RP funny (yes, I wonder why, too). So I could go on and on. When you feel like the end could be appopriate, just let me know (I'm telling you that because we're basically the only two people maintaining this weird story alive [] )
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
We are - fortunately with a couple of others contributing occasionally, though []

Reposting the serpentine path for the new page:

 -
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Great picture ! []

True, some people - even like 5 or 6 ! - contributed quite recently to the story. And thanks to them ! [] []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
If you ever come to Norway and go to that area (Møre og Romsdal), you should go to see that road. You can buy round trips by coach. It's called Trollstigen, which means "the trolls' path".
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
quote:
dialate
Never heard that word before. What does it mean? []

Or is it just a strange spelling of something I would otherwise have known? []
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Your second guess is right. I don't know how to spell dialate (as in pupil dialation) because I am physically unable to pick up a thesaurus (jking).
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I found it, then - dilate.
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
I implied a southern droll.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
So what do we do now ?
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Ok, let's remember to spell it dilate in the text, and use the meaning expand or enlarge for it.

And Q - please don't give us any more words that are only remotely connectable to the sentence we're in. You've caused us enough trouble already. Thank you. []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
I've been thinking the party should sleep a night for a year or two.

[ 03-24-2008, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: LyraLuthien Tinuviel ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
End of sentence.
May the next sentence make more sense.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Though sleeping under the tables might not be terribly comfortable.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Well, as that is where they chose to sleep, it's their own fault []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Actually I think that the last two sentences may be the most meaningful of the text ! They don't fear anything now, so they can actually sleep light-hearted [] [] []

Will that last long ? []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Thank you for your enlightening interpretation of the text! []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Double-posting, I know, but here's a suggestion:

As the story itself grows and takes up more and more space in the top post of every page, would it be a good idea if I made a separate thread with basically no more than a first post with the full story? We could then include only the last couple of sentences or paragraphs in the top post, and a link to thread with the full story.

I promise to update it regularly with new additions.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Sounds good to me []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Here it is, then []
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
"Nearly"? I'm stuck... []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Now the story is really stuck, with "calmed" being placed alongside of "sinister" and "shriek." Who would be calmed by a sinister shriek?
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
A Nazgûl ? []

So, what do you reckon we should do ? Zap it ?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
I guess we give Q a little time to see if he'll change it.
Did anyone see what it was before he edited?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I didn't see it until now.
I repeat from my post earlier on the page:
quote:
And Q - please don't give us any more words that are only remotely connectable to the sentence we're in. You've caused us enough trouble already. Thank you. []

 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Thanks to Nimruzir, seems like we can move on !
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
Perhaps Q and Inc' could add quotation marks around the word out?
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Done []
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
Please Q!

"Ugly"? Can't you use a word that fits more with the storyline?
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
They were ugly, as seen from the newcomer's perspective. Which just means that they were actually quite good looking, and this newcomer was a raving lunatic. I thought it was easy enough to put that together. []

[ 06-21-2008, 08:59 PM: Message edited by: Q ]
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
No, no, no... it's not that kind of story, and you know it. []

You've started plenty of RPs here where you can let loose with your unique brand of humour. Like...

here,
here,
here,
here,
here,
here,
here,
here,
here,
and here.

You have a weird and quirky sense of humour. We get it. [] But can't we try and keep this story a lit bit more "saner" and you can get all goofy in the other threads? []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I agree with Thingol. The newcomer should not be a raving lunatic.
Play him as a sane person, and make him say something that makes sense as coming from a sane person - or don't play him at all.
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Look at it from my perspective...oh wait, that might take eons. Oh well, if any species has a gift for brevity its the Q. Poof! The word has been changed.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Now that we're moving again [] , I have even updated the full story. Last update was in June ... []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
It's possible to stop the sentence there and put a question-mark, or to continue it for a few more words. This time I decided to leave it open for the next poster to decide []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Okay, I am very confused by the dialogue []

Does it make any sense ? []
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
When Luke Q. MANDOS posts the last word, hope of making sense flies out the window.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I want to introduce a new rule here.
Whenever Q posts a word that doesn't make sense, we're free to ignore it and continue the sentence from the word before it as if he hadn't posted.

State in this thread that this is what you're doing, though, and I'll know to ignore his word when I update The full story.

Q, I hope that this will encourage you to work with us (as you have done occasionally) and not against us (as you have mostly done). Try to see where we're going and try to go in that direction, instead of running off on your own.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Let's try with his word this time.

But your rule seems [] to me, Varna []

I remember that we'd already zapped one of Q's word in the past, once []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Yes, we did.

This time it's actually possible to use it - at least with your addition, Inc' []
Whether it moves us on in the right direction, I'm less sure about, but at least it shouldn't lead us off the track.
 
Posted by Lugbúrz (Citizen # 867) on :
 
quote:
We fight with sharper blades than you do. Alas! This is not the best place for discussing which of the swords is sharper.
Although I really want to be clear that mine is sharper. But not here, it isn't right place for discussing this. Follow me into the kitchen and I'll gouge your eyes out.

Women!

*ducks*
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
I love how I get to post the short words sometimes. My average post on the current page is two and two-thirds letters. []

[ 12-06-2008, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: LyraLuthien Tinuviel ]
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Just moving in the right direction.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
ARRGH!

not
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Unless you effortlessly see a way to make Q's word 'feminine' a part of the story we are trying to tell, use the new rule and ignore it.
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
I suppose we should be thankful his seven previous words were normal...
 
Posted by pi (Citizen # 5374) on :
 
Is that a record for him?
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
probably
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Yes, I would think so.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
What now ? []
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Start up a new sentence, what else? The company of scholars didn't have to have such great skills in order to survive in an Inn...thus they survived by the extreme opposite: passiveness.
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
No, I think we ignore Q's ridiculous word once again.

You know Q- you get irritated when people hijack your thread in the Pony. This is the same thing... quit posting idiotic words. [] Start your own story/game thread here in the Green Dragon where you can be as silly as you want.
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
Thingy,
I've posted the words: reptilian and mermaids in A Short Tale before and everyone kept them. Not only that, they rolled with them and created some pretty interesting sentences. This time there's less for you to do by far because my word ends a sentence, and you can't even come up with a word that will start the next one when it doesn't even have to be related to it? What's wrong with the word: passiveness?

Look, if this is going to turn into a thread where a little creativity is treated like crap served on a silver platter then you can keep it all for yourself...if you get my drift. []

[ 12-22-2008, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: Q ]
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
"A little creativity"? [] Randomness isn't creative. [] []

This whole story is supposed to be a group effort. It isn't "Q's story of weird randomness". If everyone else that is partaking complains constantly to you about the words you add... then there is obviously something wrong. It doesn't become a group effort anymore.

If you've noticed in this thread... we've decided to ignore the words you use that don't work in the story. Like your word "feminine" a few posts before. So either you play by the rules:

quote:
The story should make sense. The first version of this RP failed because it became disjointed nonsense. So please, please try and make coherent sentences that further a particular storyline. Don't jump around too much.

Or we ignore your "creative" words and you just become a common troll. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Do you know about Theatre Sports?

One possible challenge is
quote:
Paper Chase or Papers: Audience members are asked to write brief sentences on scraps of paper. The improvisers begin a scene, and, at regular intervals, read one of the scraps of paper and work it into the scene. Example: "Doris, I know you're jealous that Uncle Al left me ten million dollars, but [reading] "The moon on the lake makes me think of your thighs."
Our story is not meant to be Q's Theatre Sports challenge to the rest of us. Sometimes we have taken up his challenge after all, and made something usable out of the words he gave us, but that's not what the thread should be. We didn't necessarily roll with his words either, we mostly struggled with them (with 'reptilian' more than with 'mermaids', for some reason).

We sometimes rolled our eyes, though. []

The point of our thread is not to try to make sense of random input, it is to pick up the drift of the story and go along with it. We want constructive input, not randomness.

Q, you have been able to give us such input at times, and that is the only kind of input we're willing to accept from you.

If you think this makes the story too little of a challenge to your creativity, stay out of it and create your own. Or resurrect A Small Saga (not a roaring success, I admit), which you created a couple of years ago.

If you prefer to let us keep A Short Tale all for ourselves, that's fine with me. []
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
I don't see what is so "challenging" about the word: passiveness inserted where it was. Or maybe I'm not fitting in with your second grade understanding of word play. They survived on passiveness...it can be done in real life! [] You can avoid trouble or a sword fight by doing nothing, being passive and avoiding confrontation. This is in no way random.

Some of the words I've included may not be critical or essential to moving the story forward because sometimes, like in this sentence below, they make one pause for one gosh darn second and see a new side to the characters:

"Howls could not be produced without considerably dimming hope, but reptilian movements would soon allow almost everyone to appear desperate. Thus they chose not to go the most serpentine path."

I see this as a footnote about their emotions at the moment, a moment which required emotions from the characters in order for the reader to see them as something more than objects going through the motions of translating a text without feeling anything about what they were doing. It tells us that when translating a book of this kind the characters were a little squeamish or nervous, but that no matter how nervous they were they would not allow themselves to be as squeamish as serpents when: "they chose not to go the most serpentine path." This footnote clearly depicts their struggle as what? Human beings! This is similar to when the young lady in the story felt something earlier in the story when she was:

"Staying out of the reach of the barkeepers, she hurried across their path and up towards the group, shaking like a small furry rodent beneath a raptor's talon."

The words rodent and raptor's in this sentence were not mine. Someone else, apparently, decided that a reptilian reference (raptor) was needed...and they weren't blown out of the water for it. The hypocrisy!!! This sentence had nothing to do with moving the story forward because telling the reader how she felt (nervous like a rodent) didn't take us forward...it kept us in the present. This is exactly the kind of thing I did in the sentence
with the word reptile inserted in it. Yet these two sentences were required for us to know how both she and the group were feeling.

[ 12-22-2008, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: Q ]
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Uh, no.
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
That's funny Lyra- those are the exact words I thought when I read his post.
 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
First, what Q sees as a footnote, most of us see as an impossibly convoluted nightmare that has little if any meaning.

Second, "shaking like a furry rodent" is a perfectly ordinary simile that anyone could understand, and makes sense. Narrowly escaping a brawl with three barmen would naturally cause a lady to tremble in fear. And, as this is not a Lost World story about dinosaurs, "raptor" is not a reptilian reference that doesn't fit; a raptor is a bird of prey. Duh.

The word from the same sentance that doesn't fit, no surprise, was Q's word: group. Up until this post, the lady was travelling alone.

Finally, if your word caused the story to stall for ten days, get a clue. It doesn't fit.

Ignore the troll. Anyone who can think up a word that will fit where Q posted passiveness, should post it so we can go on with the story.

Me personally, I'd rather have a fight scene this time than walk away from another one. [] [] [] Bring it on.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by LyraLuthien Tinuviel (Citizen # 5173) on :
 
Thanks, Inc'. Though I wasn't sure what to post after the word "acute," either. []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Yeah, me neither actually [] []

If it's too complicated, I can change it []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Good job, Lyra. I didn't know where to start.
You summed it up nicely - both in your first, short post ( [] ) and in the more elaborate one.
 
Posted by Q (Citizen # 5312) on :
 
No Lyra, I'm not going to give you the pleasure of a bout. There, the word is changed.

[ 12-24-2008, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: Q ]
 
Posted by Thingol of Doriath (Citizen # 2718) on :
 
There... I added a word. Not great. It was hard to figure out what to end "sense of acute mental..." with. []

But I felt that we had to get past this sentence.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Perhaps not great, but a good enough word in my opinion.
Thank you for coming up with it, giving us a chance to go on ...
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Kudos to Inc' for getting this moving again. And I've finally updated the full story.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Bumped.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Thank you! []
And I updated to finish the sentence we were in the middle of.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
quote:
The night grew thin and the tension simmered down. When the hands of the clock reached their complete nadir, the sunrise, which now seemed imminent, began to color the eastern wall. When light grew
Okay, that's not the best 3 sentences ever, stylistically (with the repetition of 'grew' and 'when').

But wait... we're not really looking for style in here []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Double-posting, but... I'm not sure my word is correct here. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I'm using it as it is - whether our phrase then is correct or not []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Sorry, I forgot to copy/paste the story and the link at the beginning of the new page []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Don't worry about it - it's easy to forget when you don't know until after you have posted that you are now on a new page ...

Should it be moved to your top post, or do we just leave it where it is at the second post?
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Oh, I think it is fine where it is now []

Okay, I am not sure of who could possibly be the young lady's ancestors. So I thought we might as well discuss a few possibilities here, Varna (as I guess it's mainly the two of us now anyway [] [] [] ).

So far, I've written 'and', so that if you want to add another adjective to 'great', you can. If you don't feel like it and that we manage to work out who the ancestors could actually be (how far in history, btw ?) then I can still amend my post. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I was worried we weren't supposed to discuss it - but perhaps the rules aren't quite as strict as that?
quote:
nor may they collaborate with another on which words should be posted, either through MT or otherwise.
So perhaps a general discussion of some of the contents might be in order? []

Also, discussing grammar is in order, and I wonder if we've gotten ourselves into some small muddle, although it's probably more style than grammar - I'll look at it again later, as I haven't got the time just now.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Well, I think you got it : it's not about discussing precise words that we're chosing, it's about trying to find a pattern to the story - not that it has been done in the past [] []

It's also more about my lacking of inspiration []

About the grammar - no problem, let me know if something's fishy, and I will amend my post []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
quote:
She suddenly broke the news that the intruder, who was also standing nonchanantly by a window, had told her that the only thing he knew about her heritage, was that she was not a real descendant of the original Elf-friends from Númenor. Indeed, her ancestors were only the extended family of the great and ancient
How is this additional information (in the incomplete sentence) a part of "the only thing he knew"?

It must be, as it is introduced with "indeed", thus referring to something the speaker already knows. It cannot be new information, as noone is introduced as giving such information, so it must be the intruder talking about what little he knows - perhaps explaining how he knows that she cannot be such a descendant?

(It has to be vague enough not to explain who she really is, otherwise it wouldn't be part of "the only thing he knew".)

And the intruder seems to imply that he doesn't know who she really is - so we will need another source for that. Either another person entering the scene, or some more written information, either something they have overlooked in what they've already read, or some new source of text.

Perhaps the intruder will be able to reveal something that he doesn't know about? I don't know how he would do that, and I don't think we should discuss any details about it. But other than that, we need something new, as this sentence cannot give the solution.

We should be careful about negatives now - every time we say that something is NOT whatever, we cut off one possibility and may have to introduce a new one. Which takes time.

Btw, when we finally conclude this (and finish with THE END), I think I'll ask WGW to lock the thread so that nobody would be tempted to extend it. The discussion thread should stay open, though.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
quote:
(It has to be vague enough not to explain who she really is, otherwise it wouldn't be part of "the only thing he knew".)
I think that sums it up quite nicely []

quote:
We should be careful about negatives now - every time we say that something is NOT whatever, we cut off one possibility and may have to introduce a new one. Which takes time.
Okay, I'll try to be careful. []

quote:
Btw, when we finally conclude this (and finish with THE END), I think I'll ask WGW to lock the thread so that nobody would be tempted to extend it. The discussion thread should stay open, though.
[]

Now I have to think of a new word... []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
And Telpy has joined us! []

I hope she stays for a while! And that Cernunnos continues to contribute as well.

It was never meant to be a story just between two people, although it has to be just that at times.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
I'm not entirely getting where this ongoing sentence is... going to. [] So I'm leaving it to you guys, maybe. I'll be ready for next sentence, though []
 
Posted by Telperaca (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
quote:
I hope she stays for a while!
Just for a while? []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
A good long while *hugs*
Preferably permanently, but she has been known to come and go at times ;-)
 
Posted by Telperaca (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
This current sentence seems to be a tad bit [] .
 
Posted by Telperaca (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
...two rival elephants...
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Yes, this sentence makes my head spin. []
 
Posted by Telperaca (Citizen # 4298) on :
 
Aim for a fullstop. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
They tried to dominate the others, but they never succeeded. Makes for a good balance. Finally, the paragraph makes some sense. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Anyone for any ideas to continue the sentence? I posted last and cannot double-post, according to the rules of the story.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
So now we're ready to start on the next sentence and take it in whatever direction we want - only it should go towards giving more information, not just be rambling. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Since I finished the last sentence, I cannot start the next one, right?
Anyone for a try?
 
Posted by Hamfast Gamgee (Citizen # 5528) on :
 
The next word could be man or woman?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
It could - feel free to choose one or the other and post it!
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I have asked WGW to remove Numenorean Sword Trainer's post in A Short Tale, as he only post his own thing and doesn't even try to see what we're doing. Hopefully it will be gone before long - until then, just ignore it and post as usual around it.
 
Posted by Hamfast Gamgee (Citizen # 5528) on :
 
Perhaps you could try sending NST a PM to suggest editing his/her post?

[ 07-26-2011, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: Hamfast Gamgee ]
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
WGW has removed the post now (thank you!).

I think we should just wait and see if NST tries to come back, and then explain the object of the thread.
(It is made clear enough in the first post, if he/she had read it.)
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Sorry for not posting the link and the beginning of the paragraph in the first post of the page, I didn't notice that my post had started a new page []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
That's ok - I'm just happy to see you posting again!

Let's hope this man and his reader-group know something important []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
One can always hope ...
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Yes ! []

Question though : to what this "its" in the current sentence is referring ? []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Grammatically, it must be to that "one of the reader-groups" that he belongs to.

We may have lost some of the logic somewhere along the way, though []
Let's try to create a new logic where some of the old one is missing []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Yes, that's what I thought as well. It's the only possibility.

I will try my best to find some lost logic somewhere. []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I suppose there should be a full stop after my latest entry - I'll leave it for the next poster to add, though, in case he (why do I suppose it's a 'he'? [] ) changes the sentence structure after all.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
*bump*
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I'll read it again some time this week [] and see what ought to be done with it - perhaps we could get nearer to a conclusion?

Thank you for picking it up again!
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Did I get that right ? The young lady isn't a direct descendant of the Elf-Friends, only of the old Eregion-dwellers. But someone found one of the lost connections between the Eregion-dwellers and the Elf-friends, so she would be descendant of the first Elf-friends to have made contact with the Eregin-dwellers ? []


Or something.
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Then I guess I've drawn the logical conclusion of your statement.

Now perhaps we need to explain it further in the tale. []

I think we're getting somewhere, though []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
I think that to avoid further problems ( [] ) we need to clarify who is "they" in the current sentence. []
I guess "they" could refer to :

Should we settle for one (or more) choice(s) ?
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
It would be either the ancestors or the historians.
I don't remember if I thought of one of them when I wrote 'they', so I'm just trying to find what makes most sense from the previous sentences.

If it had been the historians, wouldn't he already know what they had found? Or is he debating how to interpret the histories?

And we are not discussing what to write, we're discussing how to interpret what we've already written. []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Yes, it makes also more sense to me that "they" refers to the ancestors, since two sentences before, we have said that "the ancestors have found only one of the list connections ...". So if we're saying "Could they have found", it would make more sense that we mean "Could the ancestors have found" and then precise something about whatever they found ? []

Is that clear enough ? []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
I think that's good enough.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 

 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Interesting to see that it's been moving again - I should update the full story and join in. Perhaps we can bring it closer to a conclusion?
 
Posted by Snöwdog (Citizen # 15) on :
 
quote:
"Perhaps we can bring it closer to a conclusion?"
Is there such a thing??? []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
We were actually close to a conclusion a few years ago - and then somebody posted a "not" and destroyed the direction of the chain of logic we'd been creating.
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
Varna !!! [] []
 
Posted by Varnafindë (Citizen # 4097) on :
 
Inc'!!! You're here again!!! []
 
Posted by Inc' (Citizen # 6274) on :
 
[off-topic]YAY ! *big hugs* []
I need a major life update from you ! Wait, does that mean I have to clean up my inbox again ? [] [/off-topic]
 


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