WOAH! Those are real bands? That's cool! *runs to go look them up*
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From: My Beloved Dark Diocese | Registered: Dec 2002
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almost the entire black metal scene is inspired by Tolkien. lots of bands and bandmembers use names from Tolkien. I also use the name T. Morgoth in my band. but not all those bands have Tolkien inspired lyrics.
I saw "Flotsam & Jetsam" too. Hey wasnt that name in the "Little Mermaid"?? I was playing Kingdom Hearts and saw that the names of the 2 eels were Flotsam & Jetsam. Coincidence, or Tolkien Fans at Disney?
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From: Pandćmonium | Registered: Jul 2003
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Nightfall in MiddleEarth by Blind Guardian is the best Tolkien inspired music by far. Elvenking is a most excellent band, yet they have nothing to do with Tolkiens lore, they just like the woods and such. Another band worth checking out is Freternia, or nightwish. Alot of the bands suggested above really have nothing to do with Tolkien either, most are just idiotic black metal bands that couldnt think of a name so they took something from LORT or the Silm, or what have you. Gorgoroth is expecially the worst of them.
From: thunder bay ontatio | Registered: Jun 2006
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Yes. There was a famous case regarding a guy using the name "Gandalf the Wizard Clown" getting sued by Iron Crown or Tolkien Enterprises or someone. Let me see if I can find it.
quote: Clown, Tolkien estate square off over name Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, The, Jan 28, 1997 by LARRY MCSHANE Gandalf the Wizard Clown sits, bereft of his sorcery and his smile.
Gandalf better known to his Long Island neighbors as 41-year-old Michael Kaplan has been waging a costly, three-year trademark battle against a powerful force: the estate of writer J.R.R. Tolkien. At issue is Kaplan's right to use the name Gandalf.
"They've been bullying me," Kaplan says, surrounded by a raft of legal papers intermingled with videos of his clown shows. "I'm up against all of their money. I realize that." Kaplan has already spent $10,000 in his fight. A federal board must now decide: Is Gandalf exclusively a wizard battling evil in Tolkien's fictional Middle Earth? Or is he also a suburban children's entertainer? Kaplan's Gandalf has been twisting balloon animals at birthday parties since 1974. Kaplan says the two Gandalfs have one thing in common: Both took their names from 10th century Norse mythology. That, he claims, makes the name part of the public domain. He further asserts that his use of the name predates the Tolkien estate's trademark protection filing by two years. Daniel L. Kegan, a Chicago attorney for Tolkien Enterprises, strongly disagrees. "What he appears to believe are his two main points are wrong on the facts, wrong on the law, and stubbornly so," Kegan says. In his negotiations with the Tolkien estate, Kaplan rejected a deal requiring him to pay a one-time $3,000 fee plus an annual $2,000. He lined up a pair of historians to verify Gandalf's 1,000-year-old Norse roots. Kegan was unimpressed: "Ivory has been around as an English word for a long time. That doesn't mean you can make Ivory Soap." Tolkien's 1937 "The Hobbit" and his subsequent trilogy "The Lord of the Rings" introduced his heroic Gandalf. Kaplan argues that means nothing to his grammar school clients. "They don't know Gandalf from Bozo," says Kaplan, an elfin presence at 5-foot-5. Kaplan discovered his affinity for show business at 13 when he began visiting a New York City shop once frequented by Harry Houdini. He invented his balloon-twisting Gandalf six years later. It was an inauspicious start; because of a typographical error, his magazine ad promised "ballroom sculpture." "Hey, I got the ad for free," Kaplan says. In 1993, the Tolkien estate got wind of Kaplan's character in a direct-mail ad. A lawyer called. "I tell him I'm not Tolkien's Gandalf," Kaplan recalls. "He tells me there's only Tolkien's Gandalf, and they own it, and I shouldn't be using it. And I told him, `Why don't you bother somebody with money?' " A decision from the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board appears at least a year away, and appeals could stretch the not-so-epic battle into the next century. Kaplan has no plans to back down. "I keep getting angrier and angrier, madder and madder and madder," he says, no hint of the happy clown on his face. "And at some point I decided, `What have I got to lose?' "
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From: Helsinki | Registered: Aug 2001
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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's journalist is committing an error often made by those not researching the subject properly: confusing The Tolkien Estate with Tolkien Enterprises. The two are quite seperate things: The Estate represents the (business) interests of the Tolkien family as heirs to his copyrights etc., Tolkien Enterprises is Saul Zaentz, who bought the movie and merchandising rights to LotR and (to a certain extent) The Hobbit (and licenses them to NewLine in turn). The lawyer, representing Tolkien Enterprises, has got nothing to do with the Estate, he represents Zaentz, not the Tolkien heirs. Zaentz is known for 'protecting' his business interests in an agressive way. He doesn't get away with it always, though. He tried to stop a small e-mail provider (who also has a separate Tolkien-site) from using the name 'Shire mail service' and related domain names, and failed.
There is another error of confusion involved: that of copyright with trade-mark. Zaentz (Tolkien Enterprises) has registered many Tolkienian names (and 'Lord of the Rings') as Trade Marks, mainly in the USA only (and possibly Canada). The Gandalf case was about Trade Marks, witness the involvement of the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board. Kaplan's objection of "Gandalf" being in the public domain (which it undoubtedly is, just as "Shire") is a copyright defence, which has no real value in Trade Mark law.
So, no real answer to Silmahtar's question.
From: Amsterdam, Netherlands | Registered: Sep 2005
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