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Radagast the Squib
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Well done!

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I don't see why there couldn't have been trading going on with the Haradrim.
Snow, if men from Rohan didn't know about Hobbits, how on earth are men of Harad? It's the only way they could get coffe, but since Hobbits hardly leave the Shire (apart from the obvious ones) and the men of Harad wouldn't go so far north (They'd freeze because they wouldn't have the right clothing) I doubt there would be much trade going on there.

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Are you trying to suggest that Tolkien was advocating the use of mind altering drugs in the books? The man fought hard (and thankfully succeeded) against his own opium addiction early in his life, and I find it offensive and insulting that you think he might promote such a lifestyle in his works.
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i think it isn't like marijuana because marijuana is smoked in a bong not a pipe.

Uhm... if memory serves(from my college days), pot is smoked in bongs, cigarettes, and pipes. In fact, I believe there isn't any combination of pot/fire/recipticle not proven by stoners. []

Ninj- The Professor had an opium habit? I've never heard that! Where did you get that information? I must say... it makes Legolas' hallucinatory mushroom theory more plausible! []

[ 01-05-2004, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Singollo of Doriath ]

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Yeah I just realised that, I was smoking weed out of a pipe on new years eve! What have you been smoking?

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Ah, sorry Crate- these days, life is my drug of choice. I've even rid myself of evil tobacco.

Though my past is another matter all together! []

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Ah, but Crate, even though the Hobbits didn't trade with the Haradrim directly, they could have gotten the coffee from Bree, through Men who traded with the Haradrim.
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Good point Snow, I didn't think of the men of Bree, in fact I had forgotten them....I'm sorry don't hurt me. []

Singy: My years of drug abuse are just starting now though, since I'm in my mid-teens. I am extremely high today, but just because of the fact that school was cancelled because the heating was off and we are having really cold weather at the moment, which is good really since I have about eight pieces of course work to do for tomorrow (as if I'm going to do them though!)

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i think it isn't like marijuana because marijuana is smoked in a bong not a pipe.

Ummm.... I smoked many a lid with a pipe.... and what was in the pipe was weed, hence pipeweed. []
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Ninj, I have never hear of Tolkien having an opium habit either. What is your source?
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The opium addict is true....

The source is an R.E book at school

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OK - what's an "R.E book" []
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Religious Education textbook....He was in it as he is a famous christian
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Was that an opium addiction or an opiate addiction? I believe he, like so many soldiers wounded in WW1 became addicted to morphine, which is made out of opium. The difference is opium is smoked, whereas morphine is injected. It was widely used back then as the pain-killer of choice, and the addiction was not self-caused.
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Cannabis Sativa is an herb that is non addicting, and it is NOT a gateway drug I dont care what the DEA may have led you non tokers to believe. Also, It has many healing properties, it helps ease a variety of ailments. I don't see why Hobbits smoking the Herb is such a big deal? Don't you think that an ancient people would use this herb as a form of medicine

Maybe the "pipeweed" that the hobbits smoked was not mary jane,but I can bet Athelas (or Kings Foil) was Ganj.

Just a thought.
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EDIT: Spelling

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but I can bet Athelas (or Kings Foil) was Ganj.

Nope! Go and read the description, it has long and broad leaves from memory totally different from grass []

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haha this is a funny thread, I agree unless tolkien specified it was one thing or another, why couldnt it have been weed, and i dont really remember tolkien mentioning effects(goes back to check)so i dont know why that keeps coming up. You gotta just deal with it, hobbits do love to blaze []

[ 01-15-2004, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: Thalion ]

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I agree unless tolkien specified it was one thing or another, why couldnt it have been weed
Tolkien did specify what pipe weed is: tobacco.

Reposted from first page:

Here is a quote from The People's of Middle Earth
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There is one thing more about these hobbits of old that must be mentioned: they smoked tobacco through pipes of clay or wood. A great deal of mystery surrounds the origin of this peculiar custom...


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ok you win.
*looks for an exit*

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Nice one Tuor [] []
End of story []

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The good professor probably didn't mean anything by pipe weed other than tobacco or similar... PJ was just having fun with the idea introduced in the sixties that it was mary jane (why don't people say mary jane... its so much funnier than the other words)... and it was wicked funny, bravo peter
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Cannabis Sativa is an herb that is non addicting, and it is NOT a gateway drug I dont care what the DEA may have led you non tokers to believe.
This reminds me... I need to get down to that thrift store and buy the Reefer Madness DVD they had! []

Oh, of course its tobacco, but it sure is fun having discussions about it. Otherwise there would be no point in posting anything since Tolkien said this or that.

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Yes, it's a funny discussion. But Tuor has made the final point, I guess (party pooper [] ). Our perspective may be as well a bit flawed from our perspective, after Huxley, Hofmann and Wasson etc. made their appearance on stage from the 50's on. It is my personal opinion that Tolkien wouldn't have been opposed to mind altering substances (when used in a way the persons above promoted), but the books were probably written too early for this having a place in them. I also believe that holds true for the Mushroom-discussion, but who knows?
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I wonder what the effects would be if one smoked Athelas???
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I know all this is far off track, but before entheogens became stigmatized, the idea of curing mental diseases by the help of psychedelics was quite accepted. Just think of how psychotherapists treated their patients with LSD and eventually broke self-destructive patterns. Hofmann himself has stated that his discovery LSD may be used combined with meditation/contemplation to be "reborn", or healed. The same idea applied to Mescaline, Psilocybin and other natural substances. I wonder how connected nature and man really are in the process of mankind's evolution, and how plants influenced culture and religion.
Oh well. I'm digressing.

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