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White Gold Wielder
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Link courtesy of my brother:

My Father's "Eviscerated" Work - Son Of Hobbit Scribe J.R.R. Tolkien Finally Speaks Out

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I'm glad that someone in a position of authority agrees that the films were idiotic.

But to say they weren't profitable? That just shows what ruthless scumbuckets PJ and New Line are.

[ 12-09-2012, 05:36 AM: Message edited by: Numenorean Sword Trainer ]

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love this passage...

This commercial galaxy is now worth several billion dollars -- most of which does not go to Tolkien's heirs, and thus complicates the management of his heritage for his family, which is polarized not over the images or objects, but over the respect for Tolkien's words. Through a curious coincidence, the situation recalls the plot of Lord of the Rings, where everything starts with an inherited problem: Frodo Baggins, the hero, receives from the aging hero Bilbo the famous magic ring, whose possession attracts envy from every quarter, and ultimately provokes evil.

It's sad that for Christopher it's come to this...

"The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away."

You're not alone Chris []

[ 12-09-2012, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Madomir ]

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The profits don't go to Tolkien's heirs because he sold the film rights.

Grasping lot. Christopher has made plenty out of his patchwork of his father's work. They are just on the make because they regret previous decisions now they see how much money is involved.

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quote:
The profits don't go to Tolkien's heirs because he sold the film rights.
The profits don't go to Tolkien's heirs because Pj & New Line adopted the stance that there WERE NO profits (you wanna talk about grasping). There's a provision in the rights agreement that states the Tolkien's et al are to receive a portion of the profits from the films. The Tolkien's had to bring it to court to get New Line to hold up their end of the contract.
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The Prof sold the film rights to LOTR - for about £50, because he thought nobody would ever try to film it.

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According to the article..

In 1969, the writer sold the movie rights, along with the rights for derived products, for The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings to United Artists for £100,000 sterling, a considerable sum at the time, but paltry when the current value is considered.

Regardless of whether he thought the books would be adapted to film or not, he was still wise enough (or perhaps his advisers were) to insert the profit sharing clause into the movie rights contract just in case somebody was 'crazy enough' to actually make the films. New Line & PJ tried to dodge this but the Tolkiens won the court case which is proof enough that the contract language had to have been present.

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SSA:
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The profits don't go to Tolkien's heirs because he sold the film rights. Grasping lot. Christopher has made plenty out of his patchwork of his father's work. They are just on the make because they regret previous decisions now they see how much money is involved.
Didn't you read the article? It says "The frenzy pushed the Tolkien family's lawyers to take another look at their contract, which stipulated that the Tolkien Estate must receive a percentage of the profits if the films were profitable."

So Tolkien Estate is not trying to pull a "Paris Hilton," who reaped untold millions by overturning a will which intended to give that money to charity! They simply want what is their due by agreement, and PJ (aka "Pudge") and New Slime are trying to stiff them out of bad faith.
A deal's a deal.

[ 12-10-2012, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: Numenorean Sword Trainer ]

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The contract actually gave them 7.5% of total sales, minus "certain expenses", not 7.5% of profits. It was actually a very good deal, except for the unfortunate wording of the "certain expenses."

We discussed it here: http://www.minastirith.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=001826

(By the way, WGW, I couldn't find that with MT's search. I had to use Google. Have you ever thought of adding a Google search bar?)

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The contract actually gave them 7.5% of total sales, minus "certain expenses", not 7.5% of profits. It was actually a very good deal, except for the unfortunate wording of the "certain expenses."

It's actually a lot better, since "profits" means "total sales minus all expenses."
Edit: Unless "Total Sales" means "profits" []

[ 12-13-2012, 04:10 AM: Message edited by: Numenorean Sword Trainer ]

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As much as I think Christopher Tolkien is a stodgy old academic, I have somewhat more respect for his stance on his father's work than I do for, say, Brian Herbert, who has milked his father's legacy for all it is worth.

In any case, I tend to agree with his assessment, although it is probably a wee bit harsh.

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Really? It was pretty close to what Tolkien himself wrote about films.
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"The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away."
Yes, this sums it up rather well. []

(Que DCueI apologist PJ post here) [] []

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Cue Snowdog dragging up old threads with illiterate posts (as usual). []

Christopher Tolkien sold out his father big time, selling loads of things JRRT never wanted published. He can hardly object to films that are the product of rights his father willingly sold. []

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...right on que [] ...
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[] Well, they do say you can't teach old dogs new tricks...
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