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Éoric of the Riddermark
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Just ran across this news blurb and wanted to share:

Unfinished Tolkien work to be published in '07

That's all. Carry on...

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I wonder how much this would differ from the versions in HoME series.
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"It has seemed to me for a long time that there was a good case for presenting my father's long version of the legend of the 'Children of Hurin' as an independent work, between its own covers," Christopher Tolkien said in a statement.


Yeah sure there is Chris; it's called mega more bucks into your bank account, do you think we're stupid or something! []

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I wonder how much this would differ from the versions in HoME series.
It would be without Chris' comments on how he edited it and on the different A, B and C manuscript versions []

And we would buy it, too, wouldn't we?
I'm not sure about myself, though - it's too much tragedy for me ...

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No need to be cynical about Christopher Tolkien editing (thirty years of it, note!) of the work. The Tolkien family are already wealthy. CRRT has devoted his life to the (extremely detailed and professional) editing of his father's (extremely difficult and diffuse) works. If he thinks there's good reason for a complete separate edition, no doubt there is.

We should be grateful there was someone like Christopher - intimately familiar with his father's work and a trained scholar - to give us all that we have seen since the master's death.

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True - without him, we wouldn't have had anything of the post mortem materials but perhaps Silmarillion. A publisher might have tried a go at that part, but I believe that would have been all.

I suppose I'm less than enthusiastic because The Children of Hurin is a story that I never was very enthusiastic about - too tragic []

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Oh, I'd definately buy this.

The thing that I don't like most about HoME is how dry and historically dusty Tolkien's work becomes, with versions after versions compare, contrasted and dissected.

But, if there is enough material to create a tale as Tolkien would have intended it to be read, then I say hell yes. I'd read it.

So I hope the rumours are true, for the Children of Hurin is a piece of Tolkien's work that I truly revere.

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I imagine that it will include elements from at least the Narn I Hîn Húrin from UT, or the Lay of the Children of Húrin from HoMe III; I'd be more inclined to buy it if it's an expansion of the poetry version.

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We should be grateful there was someone like Christopher - intimately familiar with his father's work and a trained scholar - to give us all that we have seen since the master's death.
I agree, Cernunnos- given that Christopher may have wanted to broaden access to his father's unpublished works, I think that publishing his research in the format of the HoMe volumes was a good choice. Some of his other options would have been to publish the research in a (long) series of articles in a literary journal, or as scholarly monographs. Those choices would have made Tolkien's works much less accessible to the general public.

It doesn't bother me at all that Christopher Tolkien has made money from his father's works and manuscripts. The vast majority of people expect to be paid for their work, scholarly or otherwise-why should Christopher be any different? If you're truly so high-minded and unconcerned with money, then just distribute your writings and research free on the Internet or as give-away paperbacks, instead of sending it to publishers in hopes of a book deal.

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Way too much Túrin for my tastes. []

But I'll probably buy it anyway, 'cause I'm totally a sucker for these things.

And I agree with Gna - Christopher Tolkien put a lot of work and time into the research for these, he deserves to get paid for his work. It's not something that should be suprising, or degraded.

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First glimpse of the cover art, by good old Alan Lee:
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Release date is mid April.

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[] [] [] []
ME WANT ME WANT

[ 01-05-2007, 02:10 AM: Message edited by: Athene ]

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Are there any hints as to how long this book is? If it is as many of these books are around 300 pages, then this would be a considerable expansion on the Children of Hurin story. Which in The Silmarillion was about 3 chapters.
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According to Amazon, which I imagine they got from Harper Collins:

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Product details

Hardcover: 320 pages
Publisher: HarperCollins; De Luxe Ed edition (16 April 2007)
Language English
ISBN-10: 0007252234
ISBN-13: 978-0007252237
Product Dimensions: 5.9 x 9 inches
Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 4,032 in Books


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The cover shown above is that of the Dutch edition, offered for pre-sale on a Dutch mail order site.

However, it has been reported (by a reliable source) that this leaked cover is not the definitive one, but a test design.

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I'll probably buy it but Turin isn't my favorite character. In fact, I think he's kind of a dope. Tuor, on the other hand, may be my favorite human character.

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However, it has been reported (by a reliable source) that this leaked cover is not the definitive one, but a test design.
It's a great illustration. If that doesn't fly, I'm sure there will be something else equally magnificent.
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It's too bad that they couldn't use the Professor's own drawing of the same event depicted, but they used that one for the cover of the 20th anniversary Unfinished Tales. I doubt if they would use it for two different books released so closely to each other.
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wow, although the story of Turin is tragic, its probably one of my favorite tales every written by Tolkien. I personally can't wait for this book to come out.
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I'll buy it and read it but I won't enjoy it. It is TOO tragic for me. That is why I prefer many of the other stories of the elder days over that of Túrin. Even though there is sadness and tragedy, there is still joy and hope. Túrin's story is wonderful but painful to read. []
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The whole tale has always confused me a bit. I mean, most of Tolkien's characters seem to be in control, and seem to more or less reap what they sow more often than not. Turin seems to get screwed a lot, often by things entirely beyond his control.

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Yeah, It's pretty hard core. The Sunday Times had an article about it called "X Rated Tolkien" or something along those lines. But I still think it's a great story.

Edit: X rated Tolkien

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The whole tale has always confused me a bit. I mean, most of Tolkien's characters seem to be in control, and seem to more or less reap what they sew more often than not. Turin seems to get screwed a lot, often by things entirely beyond his control.
Perhaps because Túrin gave too much credit to Morgoth's power []
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From the Sunday Times link:
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The Children of Hurin will tell the story of the family of an elf warrior taken prisoner by Morgoth, the first Dark Lord, held responsible for torturing elves and producing the first orcs, a race of evil goblins.

Hurin, the elf warrior, is given powers by Morgoth to foresee what will happen to his children. “Death you may yet crave from me as a boon,” Morgoth tells him.


Elf warrior? []
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Perhaps because Túrin gave too much credit to Morgoth's power
Perhaps. I'll have to re-read the tale when I get home from work. An important question for that hypothesis: Does Turin know about Morgoth's curse? If so, when does he find out, and does it affect his actions from that point until his end?
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Erhm, there are more errors in the Sunday Times article than the one DPR cites; in Dutch we would say the guy has heard the bell ring but couldn't find the clapper.
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