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Carancoe
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I have the Atlas of Middle Earth, and I found it very enlightening.

It's amazing to just look at.. especially the Shire, and look at all the small towns and villages and family names, and it really hits you just how deep the world of Tolkien was.

So, does anybody else have it? What do YOU think? Eh?

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I ahve the journeys of Frodo and a Middle Earth Fold up map. I havent heard of this Atlas tho.
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Carancoe
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mm hmm. Well, the first time I ever heard of it was a long time ago when I was in a bookstore and I saw it.

That was before I was a tolkien fan. But this has every single detail in the book mapped out to the centimetre. They have everything from the Sil and revised maps after the publishing of the History of Middle Earth. You should have a look at it some day.

Its by Karen Wynn-Fonstad

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IAHve it, and I find it a indespensible resource when reading the SIlmarillion.

It's just a great resource.

I also have her Atlas of Pern and it's great too.

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I haven't used the Atlas for much practical use, preferring to imagine it all in my head, but it is extremely interesting just to flip through. The work that Karen Wynn-Fonstad put into it is incredible, it's really enjoyable to pick up and read every now and then. I highly recommend it []
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I have it and it is a wonderful book. Both for reference and just reading about to learn , or refreshing your memory of, Middle Earth.

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Eudaimiel
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It's a great asset for when I'm reading, and the amount of research it must've taken is just amazing.
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If you want some maps for the very early stories in HoME then youll find HoME 3 invaluable.
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Don't trust the Atlas too much, people. []

Please read this thread: Where is Numenor???

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Where did you get this atlas? I should like to do the same.
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Eudaimiel
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I got it off of Amazon.co.uk.
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As Maerbenn said, don't trust it too much. The author seems to have done a very good job for the most part. Nimruzir, Isildur, and I were discussing it MT chat and found several mistakes; here are some examples:

Caras Galadon is supposed to be spelled Caras Galadhon, and the same with Galadrim/Galadhrim and Maedhras/Maedros.

The worst has to be in The First Age, section Beleriand, paragraph two:

quote:
In about the same area Turgon climbed the cliffwall of the gorge of Teiglin to kill Glauring
Túrin climbed the cliffwall of Cabed-en-Aras to kill Glaurung.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from it, but just be aware that not everything is correct.

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I just found out this sad news about Karen Wynn Fonstad.

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Hi

All books about Tolkiens world will have mistakes or things, that can be interpreted in a different way. Arda is very complex and Tolkien didn't specify every ting.

I really like Karan Wynn Fonstads atlasses. There is also one about Stephen Donnaldsons "The Land", The Dragonlance World, The World of The forgotten realms and Anne McAffreys "Pern".

Pippin

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hello, i also have it . actually i have one & my sister has one. she got one in england on a trip. but the other(mine) was from our barnse&noble.i think u might be able to find it there sometimes. depending on what they have in stock. or many bookstores that have large amounts of tolkien. i thouroughly enjoy the atlas when im reading and studying tolkiens works. of course as any work it has its mistakes but i find it an invaluable resource as long as u take account to the actual text also.
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Of couse any Tolkien atlas will have this one discrepency: no Entwife migration information.
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Of couse any Tolkien atlas will have this one discrepency: no Entwife migration information.
If Tolkien knew that we could tell the ents!

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Over in the Password Game we were discussing a clue from Fonstad's Atlas.

Celebrían -
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Here is the quote from Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-Earth, page 184, that I used for the puzzle and her Tolkien references:

quote:Thorny thickets replaced the pine-woods north of Dorthonion after the Battle of Sudden Flame. The lands of Hollin and southern Dunland, once green and fair, became wasteland when Sauron destroyed Ost-en-Edhil and Saruman turned to evil.

S151,207. S288, FR295,299; RK261,263 (Houghton Mifflin editions)

What does Fonstad mean here?
How many events is she talking about, and are they related in any other way than all being hurtful to the vegetation?

Mithrennaith -
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The context in Fonstad is a general map of Vegetation, in three parts: First Age Beleriand, Second Age Númenor and Third Age NW Middle-earth.

The maps are accompanied by a discussion, organised not on the lines of Age or area, but on the line of types of vegetations. Under Grasslands and Wastelands, specifically dealing with the latter, wastelands caused by the evil influence of Morgoth or Sauron are listed, and a number of examples are adduced, of which these two sentences are merely the first three examples.

And that is simply what they are doing together here; no link is implied by Fonstad, no cross-age causality, and in the references listed in the endnotes no grounds for link or cross-age causality can be found.

Celebrían -
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I suspect Fonstad overlaid her maps. Her interpretations make for good discussion. I used the revised version. For instance, did Dunland become brown because of the building of Isengard, or because of the Fourth Battle, or both?
The way I see it, the Fourth Battle would be too far away from Dunland to be able to affect it. So it would be because of Isengard. But to me it still looks confusing - especially since I don't have access to the books, and only have your quotes to go by.
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I think been turned brown by Saruman in the later part of the third age seems more likely!
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Souron did overrun Eregion starting in 1695 of the 2nd age, and in 1697 Celebrimbor was slain when the city of Ost-in-Edhil was sacked. By 1699 of the 2nd age his forces held sway over Eriador. It wasn't until Tar Minastir arrived with mighty Numenorean armies that the tide was turned. But surely it was long enough to lay ruin upon the lands of Enedwaith & Dunland I would think.
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