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Roll of Honor theWhiteLady
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For the first time in quite a while, I read the Preface in my Tolkien Companion. To my suprise, the author expresses some rather odd views as to how Tolkien came about writing LOTR. Here is an example:
"The Hobbit appeared in 1937 and was a runaway success, as these events are termed in the publishing world. Yet no one (beyond a small coterie of academics at Oxford) was then aware that it contained translated historical narrative, as opposed to inventive children's Fairy Tale fiction in the Andrew Lang tradition. For, reluctant to reveal his true role as Translator, Tolkien had instead tacitly assumed the pose of 'Author' and did not abandon this until the publication of the sequel to The Hobbit in 1954, seventeen years later. But in the Prologue to The Lord of the Rings, as the sequel is known, he made it abundantly clear that the entire work consisted chiefly of translated narrative from the pen of Frodo Baggins, with some amendments by contemporarty sources and additions by later hands. The Lord of the Rings was then revealed as a historical document of immense significance and incomparable ancientry."

I thought this was quite, erm, interesting to say the least. I have to ask, Is this guy joking? I can't imagine someone actually being serious, it's so ridiculous! Can anyone explain how someone could come to such an extremist conclusion?

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The author does not really think that the text is actual historic reference. It is like H.G. Wells writing as if he is actually documenting events as they happened, or Edgar Rice Burroughs writing as if he really found someones journal recounting some of their fantastic adventures in exotic locales and is just presenting the information to the reading audience.
It is easy to understand how the way in which the prologue is written would make one believe that the writer is serious, though, given the tone of some of the posts on various M-e related message boards.
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Ah, I see!
Thanks for clearing that up, gram.
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Gram, you're quite incorrect. I've seen pictures of the original texts Tolkien translated. They are believed to be written by Frodo and Sam themselves or to be copies of the originals made by close relatives in the half century after their departures to the West.
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Wait, now I'm confused again...

Earendilyon: How do you know those documents weren't faked? Or were you just joking?

Oooh, my head [] []

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theWhiteLady, see what I mean? []
It is difficult to tell. Joking or serious? You have to make the call yourself, and some take it much to far. []

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Earendilyon,

Those pictures do not tell half the story. The originals were found cut and folded and used as spine padding for later manuscripts, particularly in the age of the illuminated manuscripts when paper was still scarce.

*curtsies*
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Bethberry, I do believe your trying to mess with my already hurting head.

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[ 05-06-2002, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: theWhiteLady ]

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You're quite correct, Bethberry. I just didn't want to complicate things too much.
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*curtsies humbly*

*offers ipubrophen or ASA for TheWhiteLady*

*thanks Earendilyon for his discretion.*

Working with ancient manuscripts and old wordhoards can become quite, um, labyrinthine.

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But they were all of them deceived...
Look here, all ye doubtful... Middle-earth was REAL! Just as the lunar landings were faked and professional wrestling is completely authentic. C'mon folks, it's as plain as the nose on the face of the Sphinx (which we ALL know was put there by aliens. [] )

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And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth.

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Galion, I think that I detect a note of sarcasm in your last post. You put the view that professional wrestling is authentic, which is obviously wrong (Beorn's descendants would mean that there was no competition) alongside the view that the moon landings were faked, which must be true because the pictures would have shown Tilion if they really went there.

I object to your associating such evident truths with total ludicrosities, and would ask that you withdraw the statement forthwith.

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Drug-trade!! From the wrong border too.

I believe Ibuprofen is the pain reliever. What may I ask is Ipubrofen?

You can never trust anything that you are given these days. []

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*gladly accepts ASA from Bethberry*

Very kind of you, my lady. My head thanks you []

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*sighs*

"Ipubrofen" is the name given in desperation when the word is not yet in my dictionaries and a jar of it does not stand in my medicine cabinet and I cannot remember exactly what the blasted word is.

ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibuprofen
ibropufen
ibrufupen
ibenfupen
ifenpuben
ifupenben []

*decides to use 'Tylenol' next time*

[ 05-07-2002, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]

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I find that a vodka and tonic is much more effective and easy to spell. *hic*

And Laurenendôrian:

I simply cannot retract my statement. The Beornings aren't wrestling. They have shied away from civilization, and are responsible for all of those Bigfoot sightings. All except for one.

And Janet Reno is too busy running for governor of Florida to wrestle. []

*rim shot*

[ 05-08-2002, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: Galion The Tipsy Butler ]

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Bethberry: It's lucky you do not enter the Word Game in the LOTR section. We would never have a chance against your superior skills. []
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Ibuprofen was concocted in the underground labs of Orthanc to destroy the livers of women all over Middle Earth. Chewing fresh Athelas leaves works much better, and is all natural....
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