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Wow. Thank you, LT

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I think he took his love seriously.

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(this is my favorite part of the story)


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I agree, that's the most moving pic I've seen yet on this site. How beautiful.
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Anyone visited their grave?
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LonelyTurambar
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It makes me wonder if the fictional Luthien's rescuing Beren, or Beren's being reborn, etc. had some source in John and Edith's life.
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I could name the plants if you'd like. For real.
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Please do name the plants, Bethberry, and tell us of their significance.
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They disserve a better headstone.
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That is so beautiful!! I always thought is was so sweet how Tolkien based Luthien on his wife and Beren on himself. What a wonderful tribute to their love!
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A moving picture, indeed.

*Galion bows head for a moment of silence*

Rest in peace, until we all meet beyond the circles of the world.


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Thanks for posting that turumbar...i needed to see that
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LT,

Do you know what season this was taken? It appears to be fall or even English winter, since there are few flowers blooming. And how old is the pic? None of the plants suggest great growth from the year of Tolkien's death, so I assume that these are recent plantings.

Gandalf the Grey,

There is, alas, not much story to be found in the plantings, save for the last two. Without the blooms, it is not possible to say that the plantings represent the Medieval closed garden of wild flowers interspersed with white madonna lilies (for the Virgin), red roses (for Divine love), purple irises (for Jesus' royal descent from the House of David), or cherries (for the joys of Heaven).

There also does not appear to be the traditional perennials of an English country garden, such as foxgloves, campanulas, delphiniums, columbines, etc. (Such as might fit the Shire.) The plantings could simply represent someone's effort to provide some green growth, or possibly a private or personal meaning known to the Tolkien family.

Here goes, from the NW corner to the SE corner of the grave. (The stonework is, I think, white granite, not marble; geology buffs could probably say more precisely than I.)

Left is probably a small, unpruned evergreen shrub called boxwood, used extensively in Europe for small hedges and topiary. Tolkien mentions these shrubs in LOTR. Beneath it is likely the English ivy Helix Hedera 'Glacier', with the two-toned leaves of green and cream.

The red blob is not distinct enough for identification. It could possibly a rose (judging from the leaf shape), or perhaps bee-balm or masterwort, but the leaves are wrong for these flowers.

The terracotta pot appears to have a foliage plant, not the right leaf shape for pulmonaria, maybe barrenwort. There is clearly a rose bush to the right of this pot. The little spot of pink at the base of this rose is not clearly decipherable, but it might be a shooting star (dodecathion) from its position and height, but the season isn't right. Ditto for the possibility of primrose.

The shrub farther left of the rose might be another boxwood, in the lighter shade of green, but again I can't clearly tell from the leaf shape alone.

The only interesting tale which could be told is by the two silver plants in the front: artemesia, or wormwood (sage), traditionally known for its bitterness and used in making absinthe and vermouth. Also known unromantically for treating worms and stomach disorders.

The plants are the variety known as Southern wormwood I think, also known as "Old Man", "the lovers' plant," "lad's love," and "maid's ruin". Its leaves were once, long ago, used in aphrodisiacs and love potions. Perhaps this is why two of these plants adorn the grave.

I would be interested if anyone else could offer any other suggestions about plant identification. I'm a North American gardener (zone 6), and am not familiar with English gardening, except for the amazing gardens at Hadspen and Beth Chatto's gardens. And I'm not at all interested in the Chelsea Flower Show.

Bethberry

[ 01-22-2002: Message edited by: Bethberry ]


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Bethberry, yes the stone is definitely granite. Catherine Mary Moore's stone to the left is marble (for comparison).
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Thanks, Boromir's Woman!
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Thank you LT for the picture. It conveys to me a message of eternal love.
Hello Bethberry, how are you tonight?(My time). In good health I hope.
Please let me try & help on the plant I.D. if I can. I am a horticulturist also, been in the trade for 17 years. It seems we have something in common after all!
The top two plants I can't make out due to the fuzziness of the picture I have. In front on the ground is a Helix Hedera of the varigated kind, it could be Glasier. The two tall plants in the center are roses, one with a red flower. In the terracotta pot a Purple with Dark Blotch Viola or Pansy. The plant in the front of this pot I can't make out. The same is true of the green plant to the right hand side I'm affraid. The two silvery plants at the front I think are Lavender (Lavendula I think is the Latin name) of the Hidecote variety. Notice on the left plant the pink flower(top left of center) on a bent twig. In the pot between these plants I don't know. Hope this helps.

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Bb and Ww, reconciled over flowers ! Beautiful !

I don't know when the picture was taken; I found it on another site.


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Ah! LT. Sarcastic in a beautifully put way that I can only aspire to!!LOVL!! I admire you, Sir!!
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As the picture comes through on my monitor, the small pink flower is not attached to the silver plants, and, in fact, there are two more small pink blotches behind it, so I suspect that the pink flower belongs to another plant. While the silver ones could be lavender, they are too big for the plants I have seen here, so, without the flower, I still think wormwood is equally likely. Hidcote is that small, but its flowers are rich purple I thought. Lavender is traditionally planted with roses, though.

The viola is a good call. I could make out colour but not much else. The leaf looks almost variegated in cream and green, although I have seen violas with purple-tinged leaves.

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I know NOTHING about flowers, but I vote for Bethberry's choice on the (nonsensical) ground that wormwood appears in both Revelations and Shakespeare.
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Now you're trying to spark another arguement between me & Bb LT. Shame on you!
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She's prettier than you, too.
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So what palantir have you been looking into, LT?

PS. I've edited my earlier post after checking the Hidecote variety of lavender.

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I doubt it not LT!!LOL!!
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Hullo Bethberry,

Many thanks for answering my query regarding the plants. I will admit up front that I am incredibly ignorant about flowers and the like, and thus admire and appreciate your knowledge the more.

Gandalf the Grey


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