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Gabil-burk
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To where are they pointing? To West? To East?
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Éoric of the Riddermark
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The account from Chapter 9, The Great River: "As Frodo was borne towards them the great pillars rose like towers to meet him. Giants they seemed to him, vast grey figures silent but threatening. Then he saw that they were indeed shaped and fashioned: the craft and power of old had wrought upon them, and still they preserved through the suns and rains of forgotten years the mighty likenesses in which they had been hewn. Upon great pedestals founded in the deep waters stood two great kings of stone: still with blurred eyes and crannied brows they frowned upon the North. The left hand of each was raised palm outwards in gesture of warning; in each right hand there was an axe; upon each head there was a crumbling helm and crown. Great power and majesty they still wore, the silent wardens of a long-vanished kingdom."
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Turmanarmo
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Who were the kings in the Argonath anyway? Anarion and Isildur?
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Gabil-burk
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Elendil and Isildur

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Gabil-burk, they were facing North.

After reading Éoric's quote I once more took a sharp look at the poster of it (see below) and noticed that the one on the right has no axe in his hand, but a sword! I was really disappointed! The more, since their helms and crowns aren't very crumbled in my opinion. And I really liked the poster [] []


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Gabil-burk
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The sword...
The most beautifull and noble of all other weapons... A sword is a cross, isn't it?
I could start a tread about the sword and the meaning of the sword to the ring quest... just like Excalibur meaning in the Holy Grail quest!!!!!!!

Why are they facing North??????

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Roll of Honor Herendil
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Because they were used to give a warning signal to intruders entering Gondor (its territory was larger then) by the river from the north.

And the Argonath portrays Isildur and Anárion, not Isildur and Elendil. It was Isildur and Elendil in the movie...

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I will check it in the book...

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Grond
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quote:
from The Fellowship of the Ring, The Great River
'Fear not! ' he said. `Long have I desired to look upon the likenesses of Isildur and Anörion, my sires of old. Under their shadow Elessar, the Elfstone son of Arathorn of the House of Valandil Isildur's son heir of Elendil, has nought to dread!'

T'was the likeness of the two brothers who ruled Gondor.
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I count that as basic Tolkien knowledge.

[ 07-24-2004, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: Herendil ]

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The Laurenendôrian
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They didn't both rule Gondor, anyway: Anárion ruled Arnor.
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Grond
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quote:
posted by The Laurenendôrian
They didn't both rule Gondor, anyway: Anárion ruled Arnor.

Where on Earth did you get this information. Elendil ruled Arnor while the realm of Gondor was jointly ruled by his sons, Isildur and Anarion.
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from The Silmarillion, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
In Minas Ithil was the house of Isildur, and in Minas Anor the house of Anárion, but they shared the realm between them and their thrones were set side by side in the Great Hall of Osgiliath. These were the chief dwellings of the Númenóreans in Gondor, but other works marvellous and strong they built in the land in the days of their power, at the Argonath, and at Aglarond, and at Erech; and in the circle of Angrenost, which Men called Isengard, they made the pinnacle of Orthanc of unbreakable stone.


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Someone asked why they frowned upon the north. Well Sauron wehn he first came back after the 7 year siege of barad dur went to Dol Guldor that is in the south of mirkwood if look on the maps. Therefore the argonath would be facing north up the river, frowning the evil things that come out of mirkwood in to gondor
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"As Frodo was borne towards them the great pillars rose like towers to meet him. Giants they seemed to him, vast grey figures silent but threatening. Then he saw that they were indeed shaped and fashioned: the craft and power of old had wrought upon them, and still they preserved through the suns and rains of forgotten years the mighty likenesses in which they had been hewn. Upon great pedestals founded in the deep waters stood two great kings of stone: still with blurred eyes and crannied brows they frowned upon the North. The left hand of each was raised palm outwards in gesture of warning; in each right hand there was an axe; upon each head there was a crumbling helm and crown. Great power and majesty they still wore, the silent wardens of a long-vanished kingdom."
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'Fear not! ' he said. `Long have I desired to look upon the likenesses of Isildur and Anörion, my sires of old. Under their shadow Elessar, the Elfstone son of Arathorn of the House of Valandil Isildur's son heir of Elendil, has nought to dread!'
Such beautiful excerpts from the books! Isildur and Anorian, the sons of Elendil on constant vigil on the River Anduin, a sure pathway of invasion.
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I wonder which "poster" Earendilyon referred to above? The link is dead and it seems there would be many pictures and posters made by several artists. If it was a PJ movie poster that would explain why it was changed from the book description. []

Isn't Alan Lee famous for making LotR images that weren't true to the book? I don't remember.

*Googles*
Yep.

Yuk. The posters made by the company WETA are bad but their knowledge is worse:
quote:
...these towering statues of the ancient Kings Elendil and his son Isildur*
* N.B. In the book, the Argonath are Elendil and his other son, Anárion, but in the movie trilogy this was changed to be Elendil and his son Isildur.

puleeeze! []

In the Argonath poster made by WETA artist Gus Hunter the one on the left (Isildur} has a sword and the other (Anárion) an axe.

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I think I agree with Isildur and Anarion
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The Flammifer
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Hey all you people! Like Herendil said, “I count that as basic Tolkien knowledge.”

Forget the posters! Forget the inaccurate movies! the truth lies in the writings of Tolkien!!

Here’s the roundup for those who just don’t get it:

The Pillars of the Kings faced north as a warning to incoming ne'er do wells and marking the northern boundary of Gondor. The two pillars were of Isildur and Anarion. In each right hand there was an axe. The left hands were raised palm outward.
Anorien was named after Anarion. Isildur was Lord of Ithilien. The two brothers were joint Kings of Gondor.

I, The Flammifer have spoken. []

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Well said Flame Thrower!
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