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Gollum Gollum
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A question concerning the hoard of Nargothrond:

From: The Silmarillion, Quenta Silmarillion, Of the Ruin of Doriath
quote:
Here it must be told that after the departure of Glaurung Mîm the Petty-Dwarf had found his way to Nargothrond, and crept within the ruined halls; and he took possession of them, and sat there fingering the gold and the gems, letting them run ever through his hands, for none came nigh to despoil him, from the dread of the spirit of Glaurung and his very memory.
quote:
Then he [Húrin] entered in, and stayed a while in that dreadful place, where the treasure of Valinor lay strewn upon the floors in darkness and decay; but it is told that when Húrin came forth from the wreck of Nargothrond and stood again beneath the sky he bore with him out of all the great hoard but one thing only.
From: HoME, Book of Lost Tales part 2, Turambar and the Foalókë

just in case: names: Úrin=Húrin, the Foalókë=the dragon, Rodothlim=Nargothrond, Glorund=Glaurung, Tinwelint=Thingol
just in case #2: in this version, Úrin is not alone, but accompanied by 'a band of wild Elves', whatever that means
quote:
On a time therefore Úrin led them to the caves of Rodothlim, and behold the Orcs had fled therefrom at the death of Glorund, and one only dwelt there still, an old misshapen dwarf who sat ever on the pile of gold singing black songs of enchantment to himself. But none had come nigh till then to despoil him, for the terror of the drake lived longer than he, and none had ventured thither again for dread of the very spirit of Glorund the worm.
Then the dying Mîm curses the gold and the curse seems to work:
quote:
Now Úrin caused his followers to bear this gold to the halls of Tinwelint [...]. So great was the hoard that great though Úrin's company might be scarce could they bear it to the caves of Tinwelint the king, and some 'tis said was left behind and some was lost upon the way, and evil hes followed its finders for ever.
And finally, when Úrin stands before Tinwelint:
quote:
"Behold the hoard of Glorund," said Úrin, "bought by the death of Nienóri with the blood of Túrin slayer of the worm. Take it, O craven king, and be glad that some Men be brave to win thee riches.
This situation is not mentioned in UT and CoH.

My question is: why didn't anyone take the hoard:
- in Sil: before or after Húrin was there
- in HoME: before Úrin's visit?

Many had encountered Glaurung in battles and he wasn't said to have had the Nazgul-like effect on people. He didn't fill them with an immeasurable terror nor make the unable to stir, unless that was his intention (as with Turin and Nienor). So why was his spirit so terryfing after his death? Especially when the hoard of Nargothrond was so rich and the temptation must have been huge. Men and Elves of the First Age were definitely not cowards, so I just don't understand why nobody attempted this. Especially Feanor's sons, who would restrain themselves from nothing, or the servants of Morgoth, who surely didn't fear the dragon. Moreover, for Húrin (and for his company in HoME), the descent to Nargothrond didn't seem to be terryfing at all.

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Hamfast Gamgee
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Maybe it was just the memory of the Dragon. And the fact that no-one dared to take any of it. If some people had managed to re-colonize Nargrothond as with Erebor ages later, the terror might well have lessened, but with legions of Orcs and Morgoth on the doorstep this was harder to do.
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The Dread Pirate Roberts
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Perhaps people were afraid Glaurung wasn't really dead. Rumors are often untrue and Morgoth and his minions were quite cunning. Of course this isn't how Tolkien phrased it but it makes more sense to me.
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Gollum Gollum
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The men of Brethil certainly knew about Glaurung's death, as they burned his corpse themselves
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The men of Brethil knew, but that doesn't mean everyone did.
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