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Roll of Honor Varnafindë
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Unless I missed it, Miriel's not appeared again yet.
No, sorry, that's just background material which I mentioned just because it only happened outside of Silmarillion. It's HoME material, and perhaps it's only confusing to draw upon it for the present discussion. []

I'll try to stick to the Silmarillion itself, not to add further confusion.

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Background info from elsewhere's fine. [] Maybe you could indicate for those of us who don't know TS when you reference other places?

But on a separate note, I did find that about Miriel confusing. []

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Bump!

I liked the description of Thingy's house and finding out, finally, what the Girdle of Melian was. []

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Well, as you know, Thingol needs a girdle. Nice to see you are still reading. Hope you are enjoying the book.
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I can't say I am...
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Updated schedule, though I don't think anyone's actually using it.
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Well, how is everyone getting along?
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I'm behind by a week. I find it doesn't make we want to pick it back up...
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I finished it a couple of weeks ago. Actually really enjoyed it by the end; I felt the early staging are too pompous and "Look at me, I'm writing an epic!" but once the basic mythology is past it settles down in style.

Love the Children of Húrin, as always, and really revelled in the desription of Sauron and how he was both wicked and weak.

And Fëanor is still an utter, unmitigated arse. []

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Nirnaeth Arnoediad []
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Love the Children of Húrin [...] And Fëanor is still an utter, unmitigated arse.
Hear hear [] []

Sad that Ammii is not around right now []

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Nirnaeth Arnoediad []
Oh yeah. I even wrote a piece of music for the piano called that way when I was 16. []
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I may have said that partly in the hopes of luring her in... [] and partly because it is so patently true.

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I'll stick up for Fëanor! Yeah, he IS a bit of an ass, but I think he was a victim too in some ways. []
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I don't know what chapter everyone is on, but everyone must have gone by this passage, which in another place someone has mentioned

In the deep places he gives thought to music great and terrible; and the echo of that music runs through all the veins of the world in sorrow and in joy; for if joyful is the fountain that rises from the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth

It's about Ulmo and water. I think it is passages like this that sets the Silm above many other books!

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See, things like that make me think "stop trying to hard to sound mythical and make it readable". That part isn't the worst though, it isn't TOO far from being poetic. But that chapter about the lands of Beleriand was just awful and a lot of his 'poetic/mythic/fantastical' moments are just [] IMO. [] It's things like that that made me take a break from ASOIAF. (I like the story, but the style is a bit...) Some books just try TOO hard... They have to be gripping to make me read through the over-writing. Unless it's a RAL.

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Mea culpa - I lapsed again....
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Aiyee!
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I'm really sorry, but I have been busy. I will try and get with the programme (if you will excuse the expression DQ [] )
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DQ - but isn't JRRT an author who is supposed to be mythical/fantastical/epic/and so on []
I mean, if you don't like that about him, what is exactly that makes you read him ? []

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[] Inc'. I like the mythical, fantastical and epic. I don't really like the epically boring. I like his stories, I'm suffering TS because I want to know the history of ME, but I do find the way he writes a bit of a trial. I find it very dry, which isn't (as far as I know) a necessity for myth/fantasy/epic.

Merry Christmas, Sil'ers!

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Someone said (here, perhaps [] ) that Tolkien was better at world-building than at story-telling. I think that's true (and that with his friend C.S. Lewis it was the opposite).
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Wherever it was said, it's true. []

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I think I've had an epiphany about TS - it's incoherent and lacks continuity. Please don't say "it's a mythology!", most mythologies manage to have more than a passing relation between stories. Aiyee, it's frustrating. []
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Do you think it's something that Tolkien might have remedied if he had lived a couple of decades longer and finished it himself?

Or was he too much tied up in the individual stories to be able to smooth them out to a coherent story?

(I'm not sure even another two decades would have been enough for him to finish everything to his own satisfaction. He was too much of a perfectionist.)

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I personally blame that young whippersnapper Chris, do you know, I don't think he was sure which of the dozens of versions of the legends that his father had was the correct one! I think there certainly is continuinity and links between the chapters however. Although one at first read could be forgiven for missing them. If I might be so bold to ask DQ, were is the continuity which is confusing you?
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