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Luke
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to the best of my knowledge the Silmarillion is vague on whether or not the dwarves re-awoke by the actions of some greater intelligence "hovering in the background" so to speak.
it also leaves out the creation of female dwarves...probably because to describe their appearance would make Morgoth, Sauron, and half his legions commit suicide.

[ 02-28-2007, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Luke ]

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But Ilśvatar spoke again and said: 'Even as I gave being to the thoughts of the Ainur at the beginning of the World, so now I have taken up thy desire and given to it a place therein; but in no other way will I amend thy handiwork, and as thou hast made it, so shall it be. But I will not suffer this: that these should come before the Firstborn of my design, nor that thy impatience should be rewarded. They shall sleep now in the darkness under stone, and shall not come forth until the Firstborn have awakened upon Earth; and until that time thou and they shall wait, though long it seem. But when the time comes I will awaken them, and they shall be to thee as children; and often strife shall arise between thine and mine, the children of my adoption and the children of my choice.'

The Silmarillion.

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The earlier of the two texts of the inserted passage shows my father much exercised about the details of the making of the first Dwarves. Thus there are the following tentative and roughly-written passages:
(a) But it is said that to each Dwarf Ilśvatar added a mate of female kind, yet because he would not amend the work of Aulė, and Aulė had yet made only things of male form, therefore the women of the Dwarves resemble their men more than all other [?speaking] races.
(b) He wrought in secret in a hall under the mountains in Middle-earth. There he made first one Dwarf, the eldest of all, and after he made six others, the fathers of their race; and then he began to make others again, like to them but of female kind to be their mates. But he wearied, and when he [had] made six more he rested, and he returned to the seven fathers and he looked at them, and they looked at him, and whatever motion was in his thought that motion they performed. And Aulė was not pleased, but he began to teach them the language that he had designed for them, hoping thus to instruct them.
But Ilśvatar knew all that was done, and in the very hour that the Eldest Dwarf first spoke with tongue, Ilśvatar spoke to Aulė; and Aulė
(c) Aulė made one, and then six, and he began to make mates for them of female form, and he made six, and then he wearied. Thus he buried six pairs, but one (Durin) the eldest he laid alone.
(d) And Aulė took the Seven Dwarves and laid them to rest under stone in far-sundered places, and beside each [of] them he laid a mate as the Voice bade him, and then he returned to Valinor.
(e) Then Aulė took the Seven Dwarves and laid them to rest under stone in far-sundered places, and beside each he laid his mate, save only beside the Eldest, and he lay alone. And Aulė returned to Valinor and waited long as best he might. But it is not known when Durin or his brethren first awoke, though some think that it was at the time of the departure of the Eldar over sea.

Concerning the Dwarves.


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This is confirmed in Letter 212.
Speaking of Aulė:
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When he had made thirteen, God spoke to him in anger, but not without pity...

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Luke
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so, since males were the exclusive creation of Aule when it came to dwarves, we might assume that they were originally constructed with only one temperment.
we can see the opposite occur with the creation of the Valar themselves.

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They shall sleep now in the darkness under stone, and shall not come forth until the Firstborn have awakened upon Earth; and until that time thou and they shall wait, though long it seem.
so the Dwarves awoke before man?

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The grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a far green country under a swift sunrise.

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I don't think that there is any definitive answer. We know when Dwarves first made contact with others, but we don't know when they awoke.
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In The Silmarillion we find this:
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It came to pass during the second age of the captivity of Melkor that Dwarves came over the Blue Mountains of Ered Luin into Beleriand.

[S,QS,X:2]

So, in the Silmarillion-conception, this was before the sun first rose, and thus before Men awoke (which they did at the same time as the sun first rose).
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