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Eregion
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I was just interested in what you guys think who was the greatest noldorian king. In my opinion it has to be either Fingolfin or Gil-Galad. Fingolfin was the only elf with the guts to take on Morgoth in single comabt. Gil-Galad took on one of the most powerful maia in sauron in combat which lead to saurons defeat in the second age. what do you guys think?
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Fingolfin was a weakling. Gil-galad is the man.
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Actually Gil-Galad is an elf! And a weakling takes on the Dark Lord, gives him seven very painful wounds and chops off part of his left foot _and_ it takes _three_ blows to kill him? And he's a _weakling_?!??!? I'd like to see you try that!!! I'd say a lot more, but I'm too incoherent with rage!
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I'll go with Finarfin. He kept a rational mind when others lost theirs. He looked out for his people. Fighting Morgoth without the aid of the Valar was a losing proposition.

Finarfin was able to resist Feanor's delisions and keep a level mind. It is easy to loose your mind and do rash things out of an emotional state. It is difficult to keep a sane mind at such times.

Finarfin not only saved himself and those that would stay with him from fighting the long defeat, he also saved them from butchering their own.

Finarfin may not have been fancy, but he was definitely the Greatest of the Noldor Kings.


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Fingolfin rules!!!
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FINGOLFIN(TOLKIEN SAID HE WAS THE GREATEST ANYWAY) AND TUOR GREATEST IS TOO BIG A PANZY TO FIGHT


*just joking bout the panzy thing, so dont hurt me


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Unless I missed something, from what I read Feanor was the greatest of the Noldor in strength and skill anyway. If I find the exact quote I'll post it here. He never was a king though

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Tuor
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That is the exact answer I would expect out of the son of Hurin, but then you go and mess it all up with the 'don't hurt me' thing.

Come on are you Turin or not?


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According to chapter 13 Feranor was the mightiest of the Noldor

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Thus ended the mightiest of the Noldor, of whose deeds came both their greatest renown and their most grievous woe.

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Tuor
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Yes,

But causing their greatest woe I believe puts a huge chink in his armor for the claim of 'Greatest of the Noldor Kings'.

Thanks for the quote Fingolfin.


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I agree with Tuor, he did get a big chink in his amour for leading them away from the Valar and making them swear an oath.

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Turin Turambar
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Huh, u couldnt hurt me if u tried Tuor, ur just a panzy!!
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Ereinion_Gil-Galad
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Chapter 18 Simarillion:

Thus died Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor, most proud and valiant of the Elven-Kings of old.

My vote goes for Fingolfin


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Thingol Greymantel
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I think Fëanor can claim the title of mightiest king and Fingolfin of most valiant.

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That's more like it Turin!!!
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I say Fingolfin! Of course Fëanor was also very great...

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Turin Turambar
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Feanor was probably the greatest Noldor, but he was never a king, therefore he cant vote for him, so u might as well start another thread saying how good a king feanor would have been
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Actually Feanor was the king of noldor(after the death of Finwe, but not acknowledged by all the Noldor; many took Fingolfin as their lord)
In my opinion the greatest was Finwe.

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Feanor was not a king, therefor IMO disqualified from this particular thread.
Gil-galad weilded one of The Three Rings and led the Last Alliance of Elves and Men against Mordor and the rule of Sauron. Now that is vote-worthy.

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I was going to say Finrod but he wasn't High King. The obvious choice is Fingolfin however, I'm going to say Gil-Galad.

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the votes are coming in and the race for greatest KING is on:

Gil-galad - 3
Finarfin - 1
Fingolfin - 4
Finwe - 1
To all you Feanor fans, show me where it states that he was a king and I shall add his double dealing, backstabbing, kinslaying, selfserving, arogant self to the list.

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Nice one, Mellon.

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Though not a particular Feanorian fan, I don't see why he wouldn't have become High King after the death of Finwe, he was the eldest and it's hardly likely to propose that he would have not accepted the title (or even if he had it would have least have been noteworthy) and I see little reason as to why he would have, Maedhros I can understand because if anything else Fingolfin was so much older and would pretty much have unofficially held the title of High King anyway. Though I still haven't found hard evidence (although the Encylopedia of Arda does state that he was (though briefly) High King of the Noldor).. still though no quote...

P.S Does anyone know why the title passed from Fingon to Turgon - was this just because Gil-galad was relatively young at the time?


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To contest my point , in the index to the Silm. the five High Kings of whom there is no doubt, have their titles expressly stated in their description (excepting Turgon, but Gil-galad's entry practically compensates): For Feanor only 'leader' is used in talking of the rebellion, but his 'kingship' is not mentioned.
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My vote goes to Fingolfin.
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