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Finarfin, the youngest son of Finwe, what did he do? It didn't seem he had a very big part at all. Did he do anything?
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He stayed in Valinor.

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exactly, boring old Finarfin
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He did nothing. And by doing that it can be argued that he was the greatest of the princes of the noldor.
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but he wasnt great, how do you call him great when he didnt do anything but sit at valinor
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He had the strength of mind not to go. If he had gone, who knows what mighty deeds he would have performed. But he did not.
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To agree with Laurenendorian, look how many people agreed with Feanor's words and it's generally harder to be in a minority as he was anyway, let alone not succumbing to the power of Feanor's words.
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Finarfin was the wisest of the sons of Finwe, whereas Feanor was the most fiery and skilled, and Fingolfin the most valiant. Finarfin endured forever as the High King of the Noldor in Aman. The Noldor who fought in the wars against Morgoth were utterly destroyed. Did he do anything? I believe that when the Valar finally heard the plea of Earendil, the host of Noldor who fought in the final battle marched under the banner of Finarfin who led them in that last victorious overthrow. Hence Finarfin the Wise.

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i guess maybe I was wrong about Finarfin, but hes still boring lol
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Boring? You mean that Tolkien didn't write much about him, surely. If he had been written about more, it would not have been the same sort of story, but it might have been interesting nonetheless. The rebellion of Feanor and the Noldor as seen through the eyes of Finarfin. Then again, I suppose you could be right: it might have been really boring.
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If you mean boring because he didn't have any stories then that's not his fault. But if you mean boring because he chose not to go, that wouldn't be fair. It took a lot of courage to turn back like he did. The kinslaying was just too much for him to bear.

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People are soooo picky when it comes to elves. Feanor is bad because he did too much. Finarfin is bad because he did nothing. For Finarfin's desicion to stay. Yeah that took courage. So his life may not have been exciting after. At least noone hates him because he did "evil." He ranks in the same area as all the other princes of the Noldoli. Not too much higher, not too much lower.
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I beg to differ Mog. Finarfin led his people to prosperity and victory. He was the ONLY Noldor to do so. I say that Finarfin ranks much higher then the others. He like Frodo knew that he could do nothing to a god. Only gods could deal with a god. It took courage to stand up for what was right against his kin. It took more courage than fighting Melkor himself.

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I beg to differ, Fingolfin knew that as well and tried to get his people to stay but when it became evident that the wouldn't be swayed he felt it was his responsibility to accompany them, even if it meant his own death.
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That was untrue. They could do things to the Ainur. Need I remind you of Fingolfin and Beren and Luthien. I think most of the Noldor knew what they were getting into and still went. And his faithful choice equals out with his lack of "interesting" tales.
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Are you speaking to me???
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No Fingy, I think he was talking to me. What I meant to say was that the Noldor could not defeat Melkor. I can think of no worse a leader than one who would lead his people into a war doomed to failure, especially a war out of pride.
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But Fingolfin didn't do that he went with the noldor because he saw it as his responsibility not to abandon them despite the fact he knew they were wrong.
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Therefore, Finglofin became a follower not a leader. A good leader gets others to do what they don't want to do and like it.(That's not my definition, Harry S. Truman I believe. I was forced to memorize it about 14 years ago)

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Good leaders are servants of whom they lead!

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So Ear, what are you trying to say? One getting others to do what they should do but don't want to is wrong? A good leader leads by polls? If Fingolfin knew that what his people were about to do was wrong, but acquiesced, he was not being a good leader.
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THe only way to appeal to an angrey mob is to take advantage of their emotions which is unfair to them. If FIngolfin did this and they stayed it would have only postponed the enevitable since sooner or later the would have grumbled aginst Fingolfin for taking advantage of there volitile state and gone to middle-earth then. But fingolfin didn't do this he tried to use logic and reason to convience them because if he could then they would stay and not go later.
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...but didn't most of the Noldor including Fingolfin take the oath that doomed them, which therefore sent them to ME?

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That was just Feanor and his sons.
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yea, fingolfin went but didnt take the oath
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