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White Gold Wielder
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If anyone posts anything about how we should just enjoy the films for what they are, the post will be deleted. This isn't about swallowing these films and smiling. It isn't about a fair, balanced, and level-headed assessment of films as a whole. It's about venting your rage, pure and simple. I know I am not alone.
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I don't even understand how this movie relates to the overall story, other than Bilbo finding the Ring. Radagast finding evil in Mirkwood? Calling Dol Guldur "abandoned?" Dwarves hating Elrond, who thought that the Witch-king had been buried? Azog, not Bolg, being at war with Thorin? And what of Daín, or the Balrog? Did they suddenly forget about both of them, considering that Daín leads the Dwarf-army to Erebor, and the balrog is "later" revealed in Fellowship?
And even after PJ introduces Radagast, Gandalf is still talking to moths to summon eagles? WTFudge?
Did PJ really think these things through?

Overall there was the PJ contempt for mortals vs Elves; in LotR there was contempt for men, while here it's for Dwarfs by portraying Thrain as mastered by greed, when I didn't get that notion from the book; rather they simply had more wealth than they knew what to do with, with Dwarfs plying their trade, and many items never even delivered or payed for since there were so many. It just seems that PJ was presenting a typical liberal message; not that it's stopped PJ from hoarding his lavish wealth, he's the real Smaug!

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I didn't see any political message of any kind; I just saw juvenile humor in places that detracted greatly from the story. We all know JRRT's The Hobbit was more of a children's book than LOTR was. But that's no excuse for throwing in so much Beavis-Butthead-level 13-year-old adolescent male crap. The meal at Bilbo's, with all the belching and crude dwarf behavior; the dwarves' stupidity around trolls; the transformer-like giants in the mountains; the scrotum hanging from the Goblin King's chin; and on and on and on (please feel free to add what I haven't covered). I can't say I hated the film, but I can sure say I liked Tolkien's children's tale far more than this teenage boy romp.
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Why didn't they cut out Radagast? It would have been preferable. The bunny-racing...
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The bunny-racing looked like Disney on speed to me.

I really can't write anything at all sensible; my blood pressure rose steadily throughout the film and was out through the ceiling by the end.

I know, I know, I defended LOTR mightily; I'm not a purist with these film adaptations. I have cheerfully watched the oddest versions of Shakespeare plays, Hardy and Austen novels, etc. I didn't even think that The Hobbit was particularly close to my heart, but this! Wtf were they thinking?

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Bombadil:

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I didn't see any political message of any kind; I just saw juvenile humor in places that detracted greatly from the story. We all know JRRT's The Hobbit was more of a children's book than LOTR was. But that's no excuse for throwing in so much Beavis-Butthead-level 13-year-old adolescent male crap. The meal at Bilbo's, with all the belching and crude dwarf behavior; the dwarves' stupidity around trolls; the transformer-like giants in the mountains; the scrotum hanging from the Goblin King's chin; and on and on and on (please feel free to add what I haven't covered). I can't say I hated the film, but I can sure say I liked Tolkien's children's tale far more than this teenage boy romp.
I think this is one of the main problems, perhaps the biggest one, with Peter Jackson's style. He's just immature. Any quality he might possess (as far as I can judge, he has good ideas too) is undone by this, because he can't resist taking the most puerile and cringeworthy approach. Oversizing stuff, crude humour, unreflected fanboyism, and always going for the "awesome" instead of the pragmatic (or lore-accurate) can be traced back to this basic flaw. And yeah, brain farts like a "bunny sled".

To be fair, I think the character derailment issues are someone else's fault; I suspect the co-writers. Can't see why Jackson would do that on his own.

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Peter Jackson is orc-spawn. I will have peace with him when he hangs from a gibbet for the sport of his own crows. Until then I will continue to hold a burning grudge against this ruddy little ignoramus for perverting and butchering my beloved Middle-earth.
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While I am indifferent to The Stunted One and his works, I applaud both your passionate vitriol and command of the English language. Well played, sir or madam. [] []
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* [] at Athene and Atmo.*

Yes, how could I have left Radagast off my complaint list? Not just the bunny sled -- the entire portrait of him as an addled, eccentric nature nut? If this is really what Radagast was like, Saruman was entirely correct in saying "Radagast the Simple! Radagast the Fool!" I wouldn't object to Radagast's inclusion in the story if he actually got to be an Istari instead of a village idiot. And the bit with the pipe-weed. God help us.

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Suffered a bit from prequel fever too, I was too busy being disgusted by Radagast to say that last time.
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To be accurate, they weren't bunnies; Radagast said they were "Rhosgobel Rabbits," which could apparently outrun any Wargs even while pulling a man on a sled. (Rhosgobel, as you may know, was Radagast’s dwelling on the edge of Mirkwood; but as for rabbits I don't know a thing, perhaps he bred them with goblin-men or something, after all that's how PJ said that Saruman created the Uruk-hai out of orcs to be twice as big and strong as a man despite both orcs and goblins being a good deal smaller.)

Edit: the rabbits must have been fast, since Rhosgobel was over 100 miles from Dol Guldur, and yet he gets there in a hop, a skip and a jump []

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Fairly sure PJ called them bunnies... *get book out* Yes. He calls it a bunny-rabbit sled. If it's good enough for PJ, it's good enough for me. Bunnies they are! []
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Bunnies they may be, but it was beyond stupid. Poor Radagast!
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Still better than Denethor....
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This movie, and I suspect the two coming, are just more nails in the coffin of J.R.R. Tolkien's legacy. I went to an advance screening (for us here in Oz) that required getting dressed up in costume. It was a fun night seeing all the different costumes and the nice photo-shoot and the free drinks and food and all. Yet it was more of a matter of getting through it than it was enjoying it. Listening to the chatter going in, Peter Jackson has pretty much succeeded in co-opting Tolkien's works and now in the minds of the idiot masses has been awarded them as his own. My only consolation this time is I haven't spent a cent that will go to the film company or Peter Jackson. I intend to keep it that way.
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quote:
"Rhosgobel Rabbits," which could apparently outrun any Wargs even while pulling a man on a sled. (Rhosgobel, as you may know, was Radagast’s dwelling on the edge of Mirkwood; but as for rabbits I don't know a thing, perhaps he bred them with goblin-men or something...
Oh, best LOL of the day! []
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Omg, now there's bunnies pulling a sled []
Is this short fat guy and his lackies intent on butchering the whole of the good professors creation? []
Roll on said short fat guy's interpretation of The Silmarillion.................not!
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Wetty - it was awful. [] Everything about Radagast was.
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I so don't want to go see this film but I feel like a moth being drawn to a flame []
Or is it more like a fly being drawn to a huge pile of horse sh*t! []

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The latter. [] But again you might have this urge to witness the total crappyness of it. I know if everyone hated something with gusto, I'd wanna see the seizuring hedgehog as well... yeah it has one of those too. []
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You are joking!!!! []
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A hedgehog named 'Sebastian'... if rumors are true.
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You are joking!!!! []
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Unfortunately not... Don't get me wrong I absolutely adore hedgehogs, but in The Hobbit, no thank you.
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I like hedghogs as well [] but why Sebastian [] ?
I would have thought calling him Spike more fitting []

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