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bigb131999
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If you can't find a rough fact, then an estimate would be appreciated. Trying to figure out the taxes that the government would make a month lol, just for fun. Also I'm curious what you think the percentage of which would be soldiers.

So overally my only question I'm curious about is what do you think the total population would be, of all the farms, Harlond, edhellond, belfalas, erech, minas tirith, osgilliath, and all forts and such, as well as dol Amroth and all other cities and villages. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Aiwrendel
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I don't know, but it's a good question and would require nuch research.

Edited to remove a silly joke in the face of an intriguing thought.

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Gondor was founded in SA 3320 by Elendil.

So we're talking approximately 3200 years to the return of the King, with many shiftings of population due to various factions during those years.

So we would need a timeframe to even begin an estimation.

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How about pre-kinstrife vs post kinstrife?
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You can use an estimate of its armed forces as a rough percentage of men under arms and extrapolate from there.
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quote:
Thangail said:
"You can use an estimate of its armed forces as a rough percentage of men under arms and extrapolate from there."

And what answer did you get?
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Aiwrendel
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Looks like we are all too lazy to figure out the population so I'll take a guess at the monthy taxes.

1105 chickens
438 swine
198 kine
501 barrels of beer
81 barrels of wine
2910 apples
1203 pounds of cheese
4640 loaves of bread

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I think the burden is on bigb to figure out since they asked the question... []
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A quick google puts a figure of about 1% of a population able to be under arms during pre-industrial societies.

According to the Last debate, they ride with 7,000 to Mordor. 3,000 ROhirrim way lay the road to Anorien, and the City is left in better defence than when is started. Based on the reinforcements sent to Minas Tirith before the siege, some 3,000, plus we'll assume an equivalent garrison (figure plucked out of thin air there) of 3,000.
So a Garrison of 6,000.

Theoden lost around 6,000 Killed or MIA (Eomer says he can lead 2,000 and leave 2,000) out of the 10,000 sent, so a casualty rate of 60%. Extrapolate that across all forces, and we arrive a total army of:

3,000 Rohirrrim + 7,000 to the Gate + 6,000 defence = 16,000
Adjust for losses = 26,700.
So at 1% this gives 2,500,000 people - I suspect this is an underestimation, as it excludes troops from other regions plus the Rohirrim left behind.

If we double that amount to 50,000, we still only arrive at 5,000,000.

An interesting comment from Imrahil mentions that 7,000 is scares the vanguard of Gondor's army at the height of its power.
Vanguard is generally the advance guard of an Army (Vanguard, Main Battle, Rear Guard).
Setting the Van and Rear at 10% of the main force, would give a Gondor Army the size of 70,000, or a population of 7,000,000.

It's a start.

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Mind, in the old days Gondor would have had several armies, and also would have left men guarding forts and cities and ports etc and have a considerable navy so it might be worth guessing that if 7000 was only a fraction of the total Gondor fighting force the same might be true of armies in the past and so that lets say pre-plaque Gondor might have had a population well in excess of 7000000, possibly ten times that of Gondor at the end of the third age. This would bring the population of Gondor at its zenith to be around 50000000. Now, all right, some of these would be client armies and citizens, so they might well not count as proper Gondor at the time, but even so it gives some idea of how Gondor had declined in number over the age! Though of course, as Aragorn hinted, it was not all about numbers, quality was an issue as well!

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Got the Rohirrim forces wrong, it's 6,000 they send, not 10,000.
Leads to a casualty rate of 33%, changes the numbers a bit to about 22,000, or 44k doubled.

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One thing, though, is that I can't believe that the 1% statistic applies to Mordor or, probably Orc cultures. Those societies seemed totally based on a warrior culture as shown by the fact that at any time people encountered them, they all seemed to be soldiers of some sort. And in Mordor at the time that the West army attacked at the end of the 3rd age, they caused all of Mordor to be involved in encountering the attack or the plan would not have worked. Frodo and Sam would have been captured by the Mount Doom home guard!
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