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This thread is like a really good book with a bad ending! I'll bet Tolkus, the mighty Valar, smashed that imposter, "silver-tall" to bits because of his blasphemy!
Go get'em Tolkus!!!!
From: I'm a wose darn it! I live in the WOODS!!! | Registered: Mar 2003
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Wow, I'd completely forgotten about this thread. lol Perhaps he has too.
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From: My Beloved Dark Diocese | Registered: Dec 2002
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O God people let it go! I had forgotten about this tread for a while and than someone comes along and keeps trying to get TP to tell him by calling TP names. Please everyone let it go.
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It would be the best for him to come back, saying he fooled us all!
From: Cuiviénen (well, people call this place France) | Registered: Dec 2002
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XD TELEPORNO COME BACK!! -_-; i think he's deciding not to check his inbox for email or something. i think maybe you all scared him. eh, maybe my looming and silent presense scared him. *hits herself* wait, i just found this today! and im an elf, not some powerful valar or maiar. heh, maybe treebeard decided he didnt want to wait and crushed TP's computer!
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From: Lorien, of course! | Registered: Mar 2003
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I completely forgot this existed Talk about the ultimate April Fool's joke that came like 2 months early but I refuse to give Teleporno that much credit
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From: The Shire | Registered: Apr 2002
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I've just spent the last 20 minutes reading this whole thread. Very disappointing. Like Teleporno said in the beginning, find it for yourself. Stop babbling about it, but also don't think it's not there. If you don't believe it's there, and don't look for it, then you won't find it.
quote: I don't think when authors are writing books they are thinking oh I must put some hidden devices in here for future generations to try to decipher....
Don't underestimate the power of Tolkien's mind. He could've went back after and added a little "joke" in it. Maybe he spent an hour on that one paragraph in the book that we haven't figured out yet. Whatever it is, don't waste your time here. It could be better spent in other topics that might require your knowledge. If Teleporno doesn't want to release it, well, then stop crying about it and just enjoy the book!!!!!!! URG!!! Sorry, but this thread is crazy. If you're going to post, please enlighten us with a new clue, not go on saying that Teleporno should post it. That's been said like how many ******* times??????
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From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2002
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I found a possibility. I was just reading my TTT, just 1/2 an hour after reading this thread. In the Two Towers, Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit it says this:
quote: The growing light revealed to them a land already less barren and ruinous. The mountains still loomed up ominously on their left, but near at hand they could see the southward road, now bearing away from the black roots of the hills and slanting westwards. Beyond it were slopes covered with sombre trees like dark clouds, but all about them lay a tumbled heathland, grown with ling and broom and cornel, and other shrubs that they did not know. Here and there they saw knots of tall pine-trees. The hearts of the hobbits rose again a little in spite of weariness: the air was fresh and fragrant, and it reminded them of the uplands of the Northfarthing far away.
Don't forget that Treebeard said that the Entwives might like the Northfarthing. They liked places like it, including possibly Ithilien. In FOTR: The Shadow of the Past, there's this conversation:
quote: All right said Sam, laughing with the rest. But what about these Tree-men, these giants, as you might call them? They do say that one bigger than a tree was seen up away beyond the North Moors not long back.
Further inquiry shows that the North Moors were in the Northfarthing, in the northwest side of the Northfarthing, north of Brockenborings and Scary.
This is what I've found so far. Keep looking! AND PLEASE NO MORE "JUST TELL US TELEPORNO"s!!! Thank you.
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From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2002
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Upon even further inquiry, I found that on the very next page, Tolkien is describing this place to be very like a garden, with all sorts of trees and herbs, some that even Sam doesn't recognise. It then says this:
quote: Here spring was already busy about them: fronds pierced moss and mould, larches were green-fingered, small flowers were opining in the turf, birds were singing. Ithilien, the GARDEN of Gondor now desolate kept STILL a dishevelled DRYAD loveliness.
I checked it up in the dictionary, and a dryad is a nymph of a tree, in other words, a tree spirit. There either IS or was entwives living here, not too long ago. My guess is that if there isn't any there, then they left about 50 years ago, when Ithilien was overrun.
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From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2002
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Sam - it is so hard to know what Teleporno meant or thought he found, but I also read the same section of the book many times thinking about old Teleporno (that does sound weird doesn't it). Interesting information you found there on dryad.
(someone should tell them to dump the green text!)
I guess we will never know, but earlier in that chapter is the section with Frodo and Sam and the rope. Just before it, Tolkien describes various stumps and old trees that made me think about Merry and Pippin's original encounter with a stump that turned out to be Treebeard.
I suppose either are good candidates for Teleporno's idea, but given that Tolkien knew so much about language, you may be on to something here. Whether Telporno was on to the same thing - I guess it will always remain an unsolved mystery!
From: Mordor - upper east side | Registered: Dec 2002
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Being the cynic that I am, I seriously doubt that Teleporno ever had any intention of telling us, nor did he have any incredible revelation about Entwives, I think he was just full of it.
From: Here | Registered: Apr 2003
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Has Teleporno left, then? I hadn't heard about it, but I have been insanely busy, and haven't had time for the things I enjoy. If so, it is too bad; I had looked forward to hearing what he had to say, if for no other reason than to ridicule him for the foolishness of it after it turned out to be something silly, like "they were hiding in Lórien!" Curiosity, alas, never to be satisfied.
From: MO | Registered: Feb 2002
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Thanks for that site, Snaga. It seems to prove my point. I checked Teleporno's profile and it doesn't say where he last was. He's only posted 16 times. It might be that he was only on for a little bit to really tick us off, and then left. He hasn't been heard of since around the time he said that he was refusing to post again. Oh well, it doesn't matter so much as to where he is now, but he brought up a good subject. Let's continue to look for possible findings of Entwives. Good luck, and may the wisdom of the Valar be with you in your research.
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From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2002
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Sam - I think you give Teleporno too much credit. I really don't think he came up with what you did (which was far more observant).
Remember that Teleporno said he thought this was a little practical joke by Tolkien.
quote: I'm considering not revealing it since I can hardly believe that nobody's noticed them in the fifty years of publication of these books! Of ocurse my "evidence" is subjective. Tolkien does not say "here are the Entwives." But he does, I think, make a very deliberate joke.
I really think Teleporno was referring to the rope falling off the stump when Sam pulled on it and that the stump was actually an Ent. I'm not saying I buy this, but the word dryad doesn't seem to qualify as anyones definition of a practical joke - does it? Where does Teleporno's reference to a joke come in?
Again, I'm NOT saying I believe that Teleporno had something real or that the stump idea is more valid than your observation - just that it seems more probable as to what Teleporno was thinking. Of course, if he would just show up, this would all be over!
From: Mordor - upper east side | Registered: Dec 2002
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quote:I really think Teleporno was referring to the rope falling off the stump when Sam pulled on it and that the stump was actually an Ent.
Snaga I agree (btw,nice new icon ), I also believe that is what he was refering to. I don't for a minute believe it to be true though. That area had been laid to waste many years before the hobbits tread there, any Ent that had been reduced to a stump would have been long dead before Sam fitted a rope to it. And I don't buy the idea that perhaps an Entwife was watching and untied the rope either, any self respecting, vegetation loving Entwife would've left that desolation behind ages ago. It was an elvish rope, there was something "magical" about it, that's all (i think).
If the Entwives are in TTT at all i believe the best clue may already have been given by Snaga back on page 3 of this endless thread...
quote: The gorse-bushes became more frequent as they got nearer the top; very old and tall they were, gaunt and leggy below...
Refering to the them as 'leggy' may be joke-like enough to meet Teleporno's criteria and 'leggy' could also be an apt description of an Entwife... A longshot perhaps but heck, stranger things have happened, after all who'd have thought a flock of steroid enhanced water fowl could beat up a force of Red Winged champions ? Certainly not me, but it happened.
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Madomir, I just can't go there now. It's too soon to talk about it, the pain and shock are too raw right now. I hope you understand.
Oh, regarding the icon, I just gave WGW $15.00, so that must be why that is there? I have an old paypal account so I thought I would put it to some use (better than e-bay!) and contribute to the upkeep of our little community here. It was easy!
Sam - Teleporno seemed to refer to something that suggested that Tolkien was saying there was something in the books that hinted that the entwives were "there" in the book some way - meaning being hinted at. Was he full of it, or is this true? If so, I would give your idea more credit than any guesses at what TP was hiding from us.
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), I also believe that is what he was refering to. I don't for a minute believe it to be true though. That area had been laid to waste many years before the hobbits tread there, any Ent that had been reduced to a stump would have been long dead before Sam fitted a rope to it. And I don't buy the idea that perhaps an Entwife was watching and untied the rope either, any self respecting, vegetation loving Entwife would've left that desolation behind ages ago. It was an elvish rope, there was something "magical" about it, that's all (i think). 
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