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Teleporno
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I found the Entwives!

At least I think so. In my nineteenth rereading of the The Two Towers, I found 'em, right there. Tolkien answered his own riddle.

Now I understand why he was so cagey in his letters about them. He wanted readers to discover the answer to his riddle.

Can you find the Entwives?

I'll come back within the week with quotes so you can see for yourself whether I'm right.

PS -- Is Christopher Tolkien alive? It seems like I read his obituary, but I can't find any evidience of his death on the Net. I'd like to write him.

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Not sure where you think you found the Entwives, unless it's in the Shire like the rest of the world believes []

But I can tell you that Christopher Tolkien is most certainly alive, though recently John Tolkien died, Christopher's brother.

[ 02-04-2003, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Lord Faramir of Ithilien ]

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Really? How about a hint? I'm in the middle of re-reading TTT right now and I find the whole story about the Entwives really facinating...

[ 02-04-2003, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: CRAM it ]

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Eruantalon
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I'm with you Teleporno. Or at least I think so. I'll wait to see if we have the same idea.
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This could be interesting
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I won't lie, I have no clue as to what he's getting at.
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I have always thought that there were three distinct possibilities alluded to by Tolkien:

1) The Brown Lands, where they were burned to death.
2) The Old Forest, where most of them became tree-ish and thralls to Old Man Willow,
3) The North edges of the Shire, where one of Sam's friends "can't have seen one."

Are any of these the answer you are thinking of?

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Well, you hooked me... Can't wait to know...
*starts waiting in front of the thread refreshing it every second*  -

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That is quite a boast, Teleporno! You'd better have a good answer []
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I believe that the story with the Entwives is tied with Tom Bombadil.
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Maybe they could be found here:

The Fate of the Entwives...

or maybe here:

Theories on the Entwives Fate

or maybe even somewhere here:

Concerning Entwives
Where are the Entwives?
The discovery of entwives
Where could the entwives be hiding?
What happened to the entwives?

I like the last one the best. []

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I've always thought that maybe they were the trees in the Old Forest near the Shire also, but now you've got me wondering, please enlighten us []

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THIS ISN'T FAIR! YOU CAN'T JUST HINT ABOUT THIS, AND THEN NOT TELL US!!!! C'MON!
*Goes off to whine in the corner*

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please don't be dead, please don't be dead. I always thought they were in a multitude of places, no need to huddle. They could be north of the shire, bombadils, or some of them could have been taken by sauron. (maybe he lured them with miracle grow.)
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Hey, okay, I'm short on time -- a hasty mortal. But they're in the second half of The Two Towers.

I'm considering not revealing it since I can hardly believe that nobody's noticed them in the fifty years of publication of these books! Of ocurse my "evidence" is subjective. Tolkien does not say "here are the Entwives." But he does, I think, make a very deliberate joke.

I wanna at least get honorary membership in the Tolkien Society for this one...

Teleporno
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Could you be refering to a certain passage in The Taming of Sméagol?
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Some way down they found a few gnarled and stunted trees, the first they had seen for days;twisted birch for the most part, with here and there a fir tree.Many were dead and guant, bitten to the core by the eastern winds.
The deliberate joke you mention could be the word core ; after all the Entwives were well known for their agricultural skills and core does refer to fruit.

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Good going, Wetwang and Teleporno... finding potential references like this one is what Nimruzir excelled at.
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All that excitement over this? *sigh* I was truly hoping you had found something Teleporno! Of course, it may be a clue, but it could also just be a coincidence... Don't read too much into everything.

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So why didn't this go into the thread that already exists on the fate of the entwives?
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Teleporno
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Okay, another quickie. No, my evidence (and JRRT's joke) is much more elaborate, although you're close.
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Please post it then, Teleporno! You have kept us in suspense long enough! I have always been quite interested in the fate of the entwives...
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Grrr...I can't take it anymore! Just post it! []

*goes insane*

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Come on!!! We've been waiting.....
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Friends,

I'm in the process of corresponding with The Tolkien Society about my discovery. I'll list the chapter when they reply to me.

I decided it is such a pleasant little mystery that to detail it all would be to spoil it for you, sort of like answering a riddle you should figure out yourself.

It also, to me, now means I must reread the books all over yet again (no pain there!) to see how many other hidden things the Professor put in there.

The TS webpage says they usually respond within several days, but it may take longer.

As for why this wasn't posted to the other Ents thread, I didn't know there was one. I'm still a newbie on this forum.

I checked out all the links posted above and none of them come close to my apparent discovery.

Teleporno

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quote:
I'm in the process of corresponding with The Tolkien Society about my discovery
Good luck with that! []

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