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Arwen Undómiel
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I know Arwen was referred to as "the Evenstar of her people" because she was so beautiful, but where did the name "Evenstar" come from anyways???
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I have a question about this too. That necklace she wore in the movie they call her "evenstar" symbolizing her immortality. Was that in the book?
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In one of my LoTR books it says

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Arwen wears the great and magical Elven jewel called the Evenstar (a name by which she is also known). It symbolizes not only her goodness and beauty, but also her longevity, so in giving it to Aragorn to wear on his great journey into shadow, she gives him also her heart, and her life.
I don't know if that answers your question, but I thought it was interesting []
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I believe this answers the quisten.
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I thought it was because she was one of the last elves to be born? That is what the movie is saying anyway.
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I believe, and I may be wrong, that it has to do with imagery of time. Arwen is the last of the elves to be born, so Evenstar is sort of like a play on "evening star." Somewhere in ROTK, Gimli tells that one guy (can't remember who it was at the moment) that he prefers the beauty of the morning (talking about Galadriel, which would make her a sort of morning star) while the guy prefers the beauty of the evening, talking of course about Arwen.

Morning star is a big part of symbolism in the Bible also, so it probably has roots there. My opinion is that Evenstar is just an imagery of time and beauty.

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Arwen Undómiel
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Actually I was just reading FOTR (like 5 minutes ago) and I read that the Evening Star, Earendil (or something like that) as known to the elves, is also known as the Even-star! So that's the Evenstar, the beautiful light-giver thing . . . so that probably ties into it somehow!

[ 02-10-2002, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: Arwen Undomiel ]

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Arwen was born Third Age 241- hardly the last Elf to be born. And Earendil was her grandfather, who wore the last Silmaril on his brow, just like AU said. Maybe her name signalled the fading of Elves and the beginning of the dominition of Men, which started after the war of the Ring.
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I'm not sure where 'evenstar' came from. It could be (if what Arwen Undomiel says is true) that since Arwen is the most beautiful of the elves, that she was given one of the names of the silmarils (Earendils star) which was one of the three most beautiful elven gems.

Tinwe, I think you must be refering to a movie LotR book because in THE book, Arwen never gives him a 'magical jewel', but Galadriel gives him a/the green elfstone, I cant remember what it was called right now.

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Kullervo has put forth what I believe is the "proper" interpretation. Arwen was one of the last powerful Elves to actively remain in the Middle Earth and, specifically, to mingle her blood with that of Men. She, in deed, signified the waning of her people, but also their "spirit" birthed into a new world. The image of a lone guiding Star amid a field of night is an ancient beacon of hope.

Consider the "Evenstar" imagery and symbolism similar to the sorrow/hope captured in the account of the Twilight of the Gods.
While the mythical treasure is lost, drowned in the river Rhein(sp), the treasure at the same moment becomes a permanent part of the land, enhancing the river's beauty beyond what either gold or nature could accomplish alone.
Now apply that to the union of Elf and Man.

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What I'm getting from this thread, is that Arwen was significant to her people, and her departure very meaningful. Something I hadn't picked up on before.

Thank you Arwen for starting it, and the rest of you for all your contributions. Tolkien keeps amazing me with yet more proof of the richness of his heart. His works must have meant a great deal to him.

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I can say "You're Welcome" for myself, but not for JRRT . . . but if he was here I bet he would thank you for your compliment and say "You're Welcome" for himself!

[ 02-16-2002, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: Arwen Undomiel ]

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Yeah, and what is with elrond half elven??, why is it his surname??, i know his blood line has man in it, but still i would have thought his surname would have been undomeil??

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Arwen Undómiel
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I don't think Elves have the same name "rules" as we do. Anyways, Arwen's name is Undomiel, and Elrond is just her uncle, so he might have had a different name.
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YOU FOOL! Have you read the books? Arwen Evenstar, is the Daughter of Celebrían(daughter of Galadrial0, and Elrond Half-Elven. Meaning Elrond is her father, not her uncle.
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I don't know about her name, but Arwen is Elrong's daughter. At least that's what the little "family tree" charts in the back of my copy of the Sil say.
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Aiya everyone

Elves didn't had "surnames" as we know them. I don't know how they named the names, but they had 2. One set by the father just after they were born, and another set by the mother later, related to the character/way of thinking/way of acting of the child. For example, while Feanor was the name given by the mother, related to the way he was, Curufinwe was the name given by the father.

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Greetings, Hrivendil. You have a point. How old was Arwen when her mother departed to the West? Was she given the name Undomiel before or after that? And if Undomiel was the name given by her mother, it´s unusual that she´s called Arwen and not Undomiel.

Like Hrivendil said, the name given by an Elf´s mother is more likely to become the name the Elf is going to be known, because mothers see deeper into their child´s mind, thus giving a more accurate name.
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Curufinwe= Son of Finwe
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Arwen Undómiel
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Actually I'm reading the Two Towers right now, and SOMEONE told me he was her uncle . . . I don't remember who. I think I heard it on Minas Tirith though.
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hell no.
You see, it sorts explains why it is elrond who prevents her from shacking up with aragorn, does it not, him being her father and all?

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Hey! I like that idea of your mom giving you another name! I would be named Halley if we did that.
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Arwen Undómiel
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Anyways, let's get back to the point of the thread . . . what WOULD you do if you were Arwen???
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So, just to clarify the elvish naming system, you had a max of 3 names
Name 1: Given by father, usually reminiscent of of his own name (i.e. Fingolfin/Fingon or Finwe/Curufinwe
Name 2: Given by mother, using her foresight to specify your character (i.e. Curufinwe being named Feanor)
Name 3: Given by your peers, usually to commemorate something you've done, but could be for any reason (i.e. Ereinon Gil-Galad, Gil-Galad meaning bright spear, or Elrond Peredhel, Peredhel meaing half-elven)

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I assume an Elf could be given more than one name of type 3.
I always thought 'Evenstar' would be such a name.

Interestingly enough, so is 'Galadriel' - the name was given her by her husband, and she only used that name from then onwards.

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Wow, a 10-year necrobump!
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