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Wetwang
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My critique on the poem you posted Gna can be summed up in one word......................PANTS! []
But that's my personal opinion so don't crucufy me for it []
As for the ram in a tyre [] I ain't got a clue what it's meant to be telling me but I found it very funny [] Is the artist a visual comedian or something? []

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This place would be a paradise tomorrow if every department had a supervisor with a submachine gun.

This bog is thick and easy...

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Lassë- I like this line best:

quote:
A rain of letters on a derelict landscape
Wetwang - Octavio Paz is one of my favorite poets, and I think Rauschenberg is an awesome artist. So [] .

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Gna [] I see that to a certain extent you agree with me. That's why you used the ' [] ' smilie I take it [] []
As for your 'artistic' leanings as they say......there's no acounting for taste []
And on that note here's a poem I like,

THE OJ TRIAL AS TOLD BY DR. SUESS

I did not kill my lovely wife.
I did not slash her with a knife.
I did not bonk her on the head.
I did not know that she was dead.

I stayed at home that fateful night.
I took a cab, then took a flight.
The bag I had was just for me.
My bag. My bag. Hey, leave it be.

When I came home, I had a gash.
My hand was cut from broken glass.
I cut my hand on broken glass.
A broken glass did cause that gash.

I have nothing, nothing to hide.
My friend he took me for a ride.
Did you take this person's life?
Did you do it with a knife?

I did not do it with a knife.
I did not, could not kill my wife.
I did not do this awful crime.
I could not, would not anytime.

Did you hit her from above?
Did you drop this bloody glove?
I did not hit her from above.
I cannot even wear that glove.

I did not do it with a knife.
I did not, could not kill my wife.
I did not do this awful crime.
I could not, would not anytime.

And now I'm free, I can return
To my small house, for which I yearn,
And to family whom I love.
So now I'm free, give back my glove.




And I counter your'Rauschenberg' with a piece called 'Blot on the Landscape' by that often overlooked modern artist Cheeta Pan
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Wetty! [] Are you trying to deconstruct our aesthetics with your dualism-bashing, grayzone, borderline, uncategorizable, works of un-art??! []
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Yes, Wetwang, there's no accounting for taste is applicable in many spheres. [] You like Primate Exploitation art, I like Postmodern Assemblages; you like Dr. Suess Rip-offs, I like Octavio Paz. I know there are one or two other people on this site who like Paz, but I'll bet that imitation Suess is much more popular. []
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The Free Thinker, also known as Thoughts from the Deep, by the West Texas artist Ho Baron.

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SYDNEY -- A 30-meter high Vincent van Gogh hot air balloon flies over Sydney, Australia. The balloon, in Australia from its home country of the Netherlands, will participate in the upcoming Canberra Balloon Fiesta, which takes place March 6-15. (03/01/04 AP photo)

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Oooooooooh

Aaaaaaaahh

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Oooooooooh

Aaaaaaaahh

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Free Thinker from the Deep, WT? Is that your buddy Ulmo? I imagine he would look like that, all shriveled like a raisin, if he came out of the sea for any length of time.
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It does look a bit like Big U.

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Hey, is that balloon missing an ear on the other side?
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A reasonable assumption.
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And leave my "Tickle Me Ulmo" doll out of this!

Sincerely,
The Crabby Red Freakie

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It's "Freakie", not "Freak", dear.
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I just heard a post-modern, deconstructionist version of "I Shall Not Be Moved" on the radio heading home this past weekend. It started out with all the parts, techno-style, and then each part dropped out separately, with no re-entering. I had to agree with my "Puck", who objected strenuously by hanging his head out the window and yelling to passing vehicles, "I'm stuck in this car and the music s**ks!!"

Of course, I thought of this thread [] []

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Speaking of PoMo, Jacques Derrida is []
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at age 74. The man who argued that language is ambiguous?
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I think we need Lassë or someone else to explain Derrida; I'm not really familiar with him.
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I feel bad now that I popped Derrida with a rolled-up wet towel during a Fluxus performance event on page 1 of this thread. [] Pancreatic cancer is a terrible way to die.

I think we need Lassë to give us a memorial seminar on Derrida-I can't even understand the Wikipedia entry. There was a documentary on Derrida that might be interesting:

Derrida

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Now that Jacques Derrida is finally dead, we can only hope that his fraudulent "philosophy" can vanish as well. Did anyone ever understand what he was writing about? What is the point of rendering everything meanless? I can only imagine what Derrida would do with Tolkien. He would deconstruct it to the point where critics would have more reason to ignore LOTR as literature.

It is often said that critics of Derrida who don't like his work, haven't really read it. Perhaps that is true, but just like with Kant, there are many who probably try to crack open to the first page of a Derrida book, and think what the hell am I reading? The reader gets put off and doesn't try again. It is not worth the reader's time or brain power any longer.

But I'll try to be open to this. Show me, a Tolkien fan and believer in the objective reality, how Derrida contributed anything important to the meaning of literature. When you do so, please check your left-wing bent at the door.
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Not sure about his philosophy, but as an interview, he majorly sucks.
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As a literature student, I think I want to say that Derrida did contribute to the literary analysis we now have and take for granted. Derrida's theories were in part a revolt against the New Criticism of the 1940s and 50s, which 'focuses on the text as an artifact that should be studied without any background information about the author or historical period' and attempts to 'establish a "corret" interpretation'. Instead, deconstructionist theory says that there is no single correct meaning, and that scientific objectivity about literature is not possible.

One of the results of Derrida's theories was the change from teachers saying "This is the right interpretation and all others are wrong" (when in reality it was just their personal interpretation) to opening criticism up to the individual reader. Thus I as a literature student can have a different interpretation of Tolkien than my teacher and both can be equally valid. I would add that to be valid, both have to be grounded in what the text actually says.

End of literary lecture. (for now) []

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