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Captain of Gondor
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Just like to let people know I finished my tenth time reading LOTR today! [] Gained alot of new insight into the books. Can't remember them at the moment though. []
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How about one? I love insights.
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1. Sam's line (not word for word but in essence): I have something to do before the end, and it is not the Shire.

Oh, the beauty of that! In our lives we all have something to do before the end, and it is not in the Shire. Or in other words, we can't be the same, we can't stay in our Shires. We always have to progress!

More insights will come, but it is almost midnight here and I need to get to bed.

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2. Sauron's blindness: Even despite the fact that he shrouded himself, and had a hard time seeing, I realized that he actually was always closer to finding the ring then could possible be thought of. Especially during the part of the story when the tracker and warrior walk right past Frodo and Sam, the tracker having sniffed them to that point. Only reason why they were never caught was because of the argument that the two orcs had.
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Indeed, CoG, for Sauron may have seemed nearly omnipotent but...

quote:
...the power of Sauron is still less than fear makes it.
FOTR, Book II, Ch 2, The Council of Elrond

[ 06-22-2009, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: pi ]

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Mind, I always took that line to mean that people didn't fear Sauron as much as they should!
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I think you have it wrong. To me, it meant that though powerful, Sauron was not as strong as men feared, and fear was a weapon use quite well by him.
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I'm with pi on that - people's fear makes Sauron's power seem greater than what it really is.
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Ok, I'm going to try to do this without reading the text, but isn't the next line in that paragraph that 'fat men that sell ale have many calls to answer,' or something like it. The suggesting been, if I can respecifully disagree, that if Butterbur had feared Sauron a bit more then he might have remembered to send Frodo his letter from Gandalf on time! []
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quote:
`That the Nine had indeed arisen I felt assured, apart from the words of Saruman which might be lies. Long ere I came to Isengard I had heard tidings by the way that could not be mistaken. Fear was ever in my heart for my friends in the Shire; but still I had some hope. I hoped that Frodo had set forth at once, as my letter had urged, and that he had reached Rivendell before the deadly pursuit began. And both my fear and my hope proved ill-founded. For my hope was founded on a fat man in Bree; and my fear was founded on the cunning of Sauron. But fat men who sell ale have many calls to answer; and the power of Sauron is still less than fear makes it. But in the circle of Isengard, trapped and alone, it was not easy to think that the hunters before whom all have fled or fallen would falter in the Shire far away.'

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Good quote [] Though I'm still not sure if the fear of Sauron quote means if people feared him too much or too little! Convince me that it's too much! []
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Maybe it's semantics, but if you can't take Gandalf's word, how am I to do better?
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Thanks for the full quote, pi! Oh yes, it's very much semantics ...

I now think that Gandalf is talking about himself - he had feared Sauron too much, and found that the power of Sauron was less than Gandalf's own fear had made it.

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Weeeeeellll, Sauron was further ahead in finding out the truth about the Ring than even Gandalf feared! As Gandalf himself admitted! []
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Well, didn't think this would turn into any kind of discussion if I say so myself. []

3: The Ring. It seemed that the Ring to an extent obeyed commands given it. I never really thought about it before until Frodo was talking to Gollum and said:
quote:
I shall take Precious, and I shall say: make him swallow the bones and choke. Never taste fish again.
And, as we later see, in a sense the Ring does indeed follow commands. But, it does twist the meaning.
Well, let me restate; through the Ring a person could carry out commands.
quote:
Begone; and trouble me no more. If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom.
And Gollum does when he gets the Ring back. I think partially the Ring was carrying out that command and punishment to Gollum.

I just thought it was kind of intresting.

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