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How one should look at a story is not really dabatable.
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Just a couple of thoughts before I read the thread on the influence of movies on MT even though I was not a member to witness how it was before.
Whatever the influence was, to the better or to the worse, I cannot judge as we ageed, it was coming right to you. Generaly change always is, which sucks. And of course when least expected.
Normal people make a daily effort to accept this truth and realise that nothing lasts as it is forever. Not part of the natural process of things.

So I suggest, whatever you findings are, you just sit back and enjoy the ride,experience what is happening now and bear witness to it cause in five to ten years it will be soooooo gone.

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But I wonder if WGW ever thought when he first created these forums, all those years ago, that even now, it would still be going strong and that people would still be joining and posting?
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I think Eomer makes the whole point of this thread clear.
So...what, is it a bad thing that I treat a story simply as a story, and nothing more? The movies have nothing to do with the way I view LOTR--I hold the book in higher regard, but I still enjoy the movies.

I feel the same way about every book I read, every video game I play, and every movie I watch. I find sitting down and dissecting fiction like it's a college textbook tedious. Isn't it enough to just enjoy Middle-earth without having to act like I'm studying for a doctorate in Tolkienology?

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Éomer said:
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"Isn't it enough to just enjoy Middle-earth without having to act like I'm studying for a doctorate in Tolkienology?"
I agree. As I said before albeit with different words, I too care not for the anal-retentive attitudes backed up by quotes from letters telling me how I'm supposed to enjoy Middle Earth. So you see, I myself agree with your previous post. []
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Oh! Okay. I guess I took your comment the wrong way, then. []

Sorry, I wrote that up when I was kinda tired and cranky, and I'd said to myself "Hmm, maybe I should wait to post this until tomorrow" but then I went ahead and did it anyway. []

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I think I was taking a back-handed piss out of Tuor with that post. []
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I have never claimed that one should not discuss personal opinions. I simply say that one should not claim that those were Tolkiens thoughts and that I don't care to join in on such conversations. But people get all in a snit whenever I try to bring up the distinction.


Here's a perfect quote from a certain kind of "Tolkien fan" brought to this site by the movies:
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When you've said a certain amount about Tolkien, you've said it all. Boring old misogynist with no imagination whatsoever. Nicked every single "idea" he claimed to have.
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Some people should definitely read Tom Shippey, if they can't read Tolkien correctly []
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Ah Tuor! How nice to see that you still care. []

But you know, if you explore the Tolkien canon in any depth, you will see that I am correct. Not that I expect any of you to ever admit it, but then that makes it all the more amusing for some of us. []

Enjoy yourselves!

edit: And I was actually not brought to this site by the movies, as you would know if your knowledge of MT was as exhaustive as you claim. I was, sadly, brought to this site by a combination of an accident that made me housebound for six months and a love of Arthur Ransome. But of course, you know that, don't you? Not.

It is delicious that some MTers (mentioning no names)who despise me here, talk to me happily on other sites where I have a different name. [] Life is fun.

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It is delicious that some MTers (mentioning no names)who despise me here, talk to me happily on other sites where I have a different name. [] Life is fun.
Nice to see you still get your jollies mind-fXXXing other people. What's the saying: Small things amuse small minds? Yes, I think that was it.

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I suppose I should have said "an example of a person who joined the site during the time of the movies". It became a site where people like you felt at home.
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But you know, if you explore the Tolkien canon in any depth, you will see that I am correct.
Oh, yes, I forgot you were so active up north []
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I think she meant from her point of view. As Snowdog has pointed out, there is nothing wrong with discussing Tolkien from one's own point of view. It's just that until the movies were released, people with such a point of view would not have come to a Tolkien site.
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Her point of view (or such a point of view) has no interest at all for me, as long as it doesn't contaminate other people.
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It is delicious that some MTers (mentioning no names)who despise me here, talk to me happily on other sites where I have a different name. Life is fun.
[] You probably didn't try and commit suicide over there yet. [] But I will agree with you that life is fun! []

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When you've said a certain amount about Tolkien, you've said it all. Boring old misogynist with no imagination whatsoever. Nicked every single "idea" he claimed to have.
[] Yeah, Good reason to join a Tolkien site. []
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edit: And I was actually not brought to this site by the movies, as you would know if your knowledge of MT was as exhaustive as you claim. I was, sadly, brought to this site by a combination of an accident that made me housebound for six months(I doubt it) and a love of Arthur Ransome. But of course, you know that, don't you? Not.
... or not.
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It's just that until the movies were released, people with such a point of view would not have come to a Tolkien site.
Boy, that is a fact.

I do have to say that MT sure has brought me a hell of a lot of entertainment. []

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You probably didn't try and commit suicide over there yet.
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But you know, if you explore the Tolkien canon in any depth, you will see that I am correct. Not that I expect any of you to ever admit it, but then that makes it all the more amusing for some of us.
According to your "argument", you'd have to at least study works by other authors in depth as well. Without source material, there is no plagiarism. [] Perhaps you would be interested in enlightening us why Tolkien is such a talentless hack? Perhaps you would be interested in naming specific works Tolkien so blatantly stole from and then claimed their content to be his work?

Note that mythologies have recurrent themes - and that Tolkien did not hide the fact that he was inspired by different mythologies all the way. However, I maintain that Tolkien managed to assemble a complex world (not that I know only a fragment of all this compared to certain members) that, also using old themes, conveys a fresh story worthy of analysis.

To claim that Tolkien, having absolutely no imagination, basically copied and pasted his whole work sounds to me more like a bitter and unfair comment. In its present form it certainly isn't a reasoned argument.

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And if you have read or studied any Joseph Campbell, then you've at least been introduced to the concept that all legends are more or less identical, just with different characters.

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Yep. []

Campbell was an amazing lecturer, but not as accessible in his writing. His writing style can be a little staid and boring, which is a shame b/c his knowledge of the subject material -- and the subject itself -- are fascinating.

Here's a decent overview of Campbell's idea of there being essentially one common threat throughout the world's myths. He called it the "monomyth".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth

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There is one thing which I wonder, is that was Tolkien the first to think up the idea of a super-weapon, such as the ring, to whom if one wielded it that person would have total power, or has someone else thought of it? Would one of those ray planet destroying guns in Flash Gordon in the 1930s count as one?
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Ah, I like Joseph Campbell as well, personally. For me he bridged the gap between a relatively complex matter and its effects on personal life and life-planning.
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Hamfast:
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There is one thing which I wonder, is that was Tolkien the first to think up the idea of a super-weapon, such as the ring, to whom if one wielded it that person would have total power, or has someone else thought of it?
No -- it's a mythic element that goes back thousands of years: Greek, Mesopotamian, Celtic, Germanic cultures all had stories involving a super-natural device of power that is both a blessing and a curse to the bearer and/or the bearer's community. I'm sure you'll find it in Asian mythologies as well...

Just off the top of my head here are some that come to mind: The Golden Fleece (Hellenic), The Ring of the Nibelungen (Germanic, by way of Richard Wagner), Excalibur and The Holy Grail, The Apple of Discord (Hellenic).

And possible the source of all of them is the Apple from the Tree of Life in teh Garden of Eden... []

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And possible the source of all of them is the Apple from the Tree of Life in teh Garden of Eden...
Which God made sure mankind wouldn't have access to after they ate the Apple from the Tree of Knowledge.
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I think I might be able to sum up these forums life history. Site begins. Not that much interest, only those who desire to discuss the minuciantions of Lotr. Bit slow, but interesting postings every now and again. Along come the movies. Many moviephiles join. Some of those who like the books get annoyed. Rightly, or wrongly, I'm not saying. Start to shout at the moviephiles. Many of those who like the movies start to chat amongst themselves in the Pony and other places. The movies go. Some of the moviephiles go with them. Of course in the time many of the original posters go as well, seven years is a long time, at least for us humans, after all. Now of course, as some have suggested, generally the site is getting quieter and quieter again. Getting around full circle perhaps?
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