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Snöwdog
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quote:
Hasn't this topic already been covered to a certain extent?

Of course it has. This is a good collection point for it though.

My catagorizations could have several sub-catagories with the exception of the 1977 Old School cut. There could possibly be Old School First Born, before the release of the Old School Edain, who would be folk who read the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, the Silmarillion, and UT before ever seeing Bakshi, Bass Rankin, or ever heard of or seen a snippet of the P.J. movies. I may revise this...

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"These Lord of the Rings movies must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence they came."

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Then I'd be Old School First Born in that revision....

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Finally - a category I fit into! I've found it at last! I feel validated! []

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I am definitely a Bakshi Recruit. When I was very small I used to watch the Rankin/Bass Hobbit constantly (and the Secret of N.I.M.H., when that got to be too much). I tried to read The Hobbit when I was six, but got stuck halfway through (at the time, the journey through Mirkwood was intensely boring). A few years later, maybe at 8 or 9, I burned through LOTR, went back the Hobbit, really liked it this time, and then struggled through the Unfinished Tales. That was so hard to read that when I got the Silmarillion it was like light reading. Then HOME stuff, 1-5 plus Return of the Shadow, which I got as a gift.

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Old-School Book Fan to First-Born.

Read the trilogy at college in 1977. Didn't get to the Silmarillion until a decade later.

I enjoy the Jackson trilogy for what it is but prefer the books.

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Mirë
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I guess I'm an Old School Book Fan.

Fell into ME when I was 15, and haven't fully emerged yet. Am hoping not to. Am looking at my 46th year.

But I'm not sure exclusive Book Fan is fair...I've gotta say, PJ's vision was wonderful. He really is one of us. I know there will always be complaints, but I must say that his visuals were right on. I tend to point out Imladris as an example. I thought the attention to detail was right on, and the Celtic influences perfect.

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Rather regretably I'ma a Pre-Movie fan. My dad made me read tham, but I loved them. I hate the stairs though. I just cannot get throuhg that part. Ever. But let it be known that I am I bit of a purist. I get that way after I read a great book that insipered a movie. So, I'd love to be an Old Book, but I'm not. []

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Well Katrina, there is nothing wrong with your tale so why the tears? It's where the heart is, eh? []
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I'm a First-born [] . Cool title []
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[] As a reader and lover of Tolkien's works since 1975, I've read everything before it came out in any other format.
So, I'm a one-year newbie of sorts to this web site, but an oldie to the professor (32 years and counting).

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The “Pre-Movie” Book Fan. Thats what I am. After reading The Hobbit in 6th grade I was sold. I went out and got The Fellowship soon after so on and so forth.
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I am definitely an Old School Book Fan. I first read the Hobbit and LOTR my freshman year in college, then read all the appendices and started all over again. I read LOTR six times my freshman year (and have read it many times since). Started out with the Ballantine paperbacks with the infamous bulbous covers, then my parents gave me the 2nd edition hardcovers with the oh-so-cool foldout maps for Christmas.

I worried that the movies would spoil my mental pictures of the characters, but oddly when I read the books they are still as I imagined them.

Still have Tolkien's death notice I cut out of the paper in 1973. At that time I feared we would never see Silmarillion alluded to so often in the appendices to LOTR, so I was one of the ones eagerly awaiting its publication. You young people would be surprised at how many people my age have 1st edition copies of the Silm - we all got it for Christmas the year it was published. Mine is worn and tea-stained, but I have to admit many of my friends have pristine copies [] . I have read Unfinished Tales and all the HOME volumes as well, although I have yet to buy The Children of Hurin.

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Pre-movie. My sister read me the first chapter of the Hobbit when I was 10. I didn't like it, because I was into blood and guts and sword fighting, but when I gotout of it in 6th Grade, my class read it, and I liked it, so I borrowed the first LOTR book that was avalible, TTT I sadly note. I wasn't able to lay my hands on FOTR until after I had read TTT and ROTK.
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I guess I'm somewhere between First-born and Edain. I read LotR, Unfinished Tales and the Sil before I even knew about the movies, and might have been an Old Schooler were I born before the Sil came out. But, I was not motivated to read any of HoME until after seeing the Fellowship, and I have still not been able to stomach the Hobbit. Maybe I just started too late.

I would probably not hesitate to classify myself as First-born if it were not for a super-hardcore friend of mine who reads the books every five years eating and sleeping only when the characters do. [] I have never personally witnessed it, so I don't know whether she gets completely haggard or just reads all day long. []

I feel so inadequate as a fan! []

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I had the Hobbit first read to me by my primary school teacher way back in the mid-70s around the time the first Star Wars film came out. Although for the life of me I can't remember which one I saw/read first. The only problem was that my teacher mis-prounced Smaug so when I first read Lotr I had the wrong prouncing of Sauron in my head all the way through []
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I'm between Bakshi and Pre-Movie, much like Silmahtar. I think I read the books for the first time in the mid-late 90s.
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I'm an old school book fan having first read the Hobbit at age six.
I didn't read LoTR because my library did not allow children under 14 to draw books from the adult section. Then one day, when I was 11, my geography teacher came into class and put The Fellowship on his desk, I stared at it throughout the lesson and chatted to him about it afterwards. He let me borrow it. I returned it next lesson with an apology for not doing my homework (which he excused on the grounds that LoTR was more important) and borrowed TT, next lesson RoTK. I then saved up my meagre pocket money for the paperback (Now a collector's item.)
I pre-ordered The Silm and collected it on it's release date and have first editions of UT and BoLT 1/2, the rest I have in paperback due to expensive children.

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Here I am, sneaking into an inn for the third time ...

I quote the following of Snöwdog's definitions adding some emphasis myself:
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  • Old-School Book Fan:
    They read Tolkien’s books sometime between the release of the Hobbit (1937) & the Silmarillion (1977). They came to know the world of Middle Earth through the released writings of J.R.R. Tolkien, and awaited the release of The Silmarillion to relieve their hunger to know more of Middle Earth. Yet were apprehensive as to whether Christopher Tolkien would do justice to the beloved realm of Middle Earth in print, and were even more reluctant with the Bakshi, Rankin/Bass, & Peter Jackson films.
  • The New-School Book Fan
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  • ~The First-Born ~ This group originally discovered the world of Middle Earth after the books Christopher Tolkien released beginning with The Silmarillion in 1977. They include also Unfinished Tales and any of the HoME series. These are the book readers and would have been Old-School Book fans had they been old enough, or had discovered the Hobbit and/or the Trilogy of Lord of the Rings before the Silmarillion came out.
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as I find myself in some difficulty to decide in which group I belong. According to the definition of First-Born I would be Old-School, but the definition of Old-School Book Fan seems to suggest I would rather be New-School (First-Born, then).

For this is what actually happened: I first read The Hobbit, in the Dutch translation, in 1975. I followed up with FotR, again in Dutch, later that year or early the next. I didn't read on, not because I didn't like what I read, but because the classmate friend that lent me the Fellowship didn't have the other two volumes. I didn't get them from the public library either, although I was an avid library reader at that time. Possibly I had the same problem as Morgil (I was 12 at the time), I don't recall.

Therefor, I did not "await the release of the Silmarillion" "to relieve [my] hunger", "apprehensive as to" what CRT would have done with it. I was still awaiting the resolution of LotR, though not acute aware of any sense of 'being in suspension'. Certainly, when I returned to the Dutch translations twenty years later, I didn't remember any of the Dutch names. I had even adopted a different translation of the title of Steward than the official one.

For then in 1979, on holiday in England, I bought and read LotR (Unwin Paperbacks 'third edition') in English, was hooked, and bought the other works then published in the same format: Hobbit, Sil, and the 'small tales' in two volumes. I don't recall exactly in which order I bought them, and how many at a time, but I definitely know that I finished LotR with all the appendices, still in England, before I started on Sil, and my recollection is that I finished that when back in the Netherlands.

The next year, in a backstreet bookshop in Southampton, I discovered Foster, and then I bought and read more or less everything as it was published (though in paperback, mainly): UT, Letters, HoMe, Mr Bliss, Roverandom, Finn and Hengest. Only The Monsters and the Critics etc. I didn't discover till ten years after its publication. I also found Strachey and Fonstad (revised edition) sometime during the eighties, as well as Tyler in the Dutch translation (of the New Tolkien Companion, the old one wasn't translated, the new one is rather easy to find in Dutch, unlike its English original).

As to movies, I first saw Bakshi at my students club, that must have been 1982. It was a memorable occasion: at irregular intervals a bass rumbling would sound in my right ear: "clanger!"; in my left ear the counterpoint was an indignant soprano: "that is so not as I imagined it!" (both exclamations translated from the Dutch, of course). I agreed with both. I didn't see Rankin & Bass till the nineties, courtesy of the Dutch Tolkien Society Unquendor, I don't think they were ever officially distributed in Europe.

Jackson's I saw at release (or rather pre-, having become very active in Unquendor in the meantime). I found them spectacular, rather than superb, gorgeous rather than beautiful. I don't dislike them, although I can understand why some people do. Neither do I adore them, though again I can understand why many people do - with some difficulty. To me, Jackson's movies present a Middle-earth that is different from the one that Tolkien introduced us to, not so much in visualisation, but in 'tone', philosophy and laws (both popular, divine and scientific) that it feels somehow counterfeit.

So, that's me as a Middle-earth fan; or rather M-e enthousiast or ~ appreciator - 'fan' still feels somewhat awkward to me with its association with blind adoration. In fact, the word was officially disapproved of for a long time in the Dutch TS. But as to classification, I feel teetering on the edge between Old-School Book Fan and New-School First-Born.

What's your opinion, Snöwdog?

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Still no opinion, Snöwdog?
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I guess I missed this.. sorry about the delay Mithrennaith.
Yeah, I see what you're saying & I agree about the 'fan' part ... maybe some tweaking of this needs to be done. []

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Thank you for noticing!

And there is no hurry. Though I found this thread interesting, when it was 'live'; and the categorisation of 'fans' thought out well enough to be worth tweaking.

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Thanks for bumping this, I'd forgotten about it. Quite an interesting list there!

I suppose I would be:

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The Movie Recruit: They went to the theatre and saw Fellowship of the Ring, and loved it so much they were inspired to go and read the books, finishing the Two Towers and Return of the King before the release of the movie of the same name. Many go on to become Edain New-School Book Fans.
I should hope that I'm now Edain New-School Book Fan...

But it might be interesting to have a category for those of us (like me) who saw Fellowship of the Ring, read the books, the Sil, the UT, the Hobbit, the HoMe, and various other essays, and decided that the movies were horrible abominations... []

[ 03-09-2008, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Amárië ]

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Nice sub-fora Amárië! []

I'll keep it in mind for the coming revision . []

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quote:
They read Tolkien’s books sometime between the release of the Hobbit (1937) & the Silmarillion (1977). They came to know the world of Middle Earth through the released writings of J.R.R. Tolkien, and awaited the release of The Silmarillion to relieve their hunger to know more of Middle Earth.
This, with the correction/omission of the rest of the description.

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I'm a First-Born. And proud of it!
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I discovered the books in the eighties, that is, after the Sil was published, but well before there was any talk about live action LOTR movies. I had heard about the Bakshi and Rankin-Bass movies, but dismissed them as "kids' stuff" (and still haven't seen them), so they had no effect on me. So, I guess I'm a New-School Book Fan ~The First-Born.
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