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Wetwang
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And that's exactly what I've heard top chefs and critics say about Dubious []

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Nash Rómerandir
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It's "Parmeggiano" not "Parmassan" (or whatever way you actually spell it) [] []

Seriously, when it comes to food, I tend to buy only the "real McCoy", not the "local remakes"... []

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EDIT: Athene, that's the point: "Brie" isn't supposed to be too "creamy" (unlike "Camembert") []

[ 11-21-2005, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: Nash Rómerandir ]

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Well, I've tried French and Somerset, and I like both for different reasons. Perhaps you should try it before you knock it? []
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Nash Rómerandir
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I don't "knock it", but IMO the only thing that should be called "Brie" has to be coming from the region of the same name... Just like "Parmeggiano" should only come from Parma, etc... The "Terroir" has a lot to do with the finished product.

Thus, I'm not saying that "Somerset" stuff you're talking about is necessarily bad, but that it isn't Brie a) because it doesn't come from Brie and b) from what you say doesn't even fit to the actual Brie's standards... So why call it "Brie" at all?

EDIT: And it's not only true for cheese! There is no "Champagne" coming from outside of the region called "Champagne", everything else is just "fizzy white wine"...

[ 11-21-2005, 07:18 AM: Message edited by: Nash Rómerandir ]

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Because it sells instead of Brie, as it is very similar. But it would be interesting to find out what it was called before, because it's not as though it's a new product over here.
I find Brie creamy - not in the same full-fat tasting way that Camembert is, but I don't see how you can say that it "doesn't meet Brie's standards" just from that.

E: On that subject of 'terroir', I find it very funny that so many people are sniffy about Chardonnay but think Champagne is great. []

[ 11-21-2005, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: Athene ]

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Wetwang
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quote:
but I don't see how you can say that it "doesn't meet Brie's standards" just from that.
Cos he's French, we're talking about food and he's being a snob []
English producers are not allowed to sell it as Parmeggiano I believe [] So your guys making Brie should have copyrighted the name like the Italians have []

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This place would be a paradise tomorrow if every department had a supervisor with a submachine gun.

This bog is thick and easy...

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Wetwang
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quote:
but think Champagne is great.
Another over-rated and over priced commodity [] A bit like caviar really []

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That's Mr Wang™ to you!
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This bog is thick and easy...

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Nash Rómerandir
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I'll have trouble explaning my point in English, because I lack the exact vocabulary necessary, but I'll try anyway...
Brie is supposed "break in small bits" when put on bread, because, while not a very dry/hard cheese like Gouda for example, it is supposed to be "dryer" than , for lack of a better example, Camembert... This characteristic hardly fits with the term "creamy" from my POV, so either I got you wrong, or you have a false idea of what Brie is... []

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over priced
Maybe you find it over-priced because you have to buy it with all the additional taxes and transpostation expenses, but I can assure you it's not that expensive here... In Reims []

[ 11-21-2005, 07:28 AM: Message edited by: Nash Rómerandir ]

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I love Champagne and, if I had the money I would drink it all the time. Even at work. []
My point was that Vitis vinifera 'Chardonnay' is a grape, and Champagne is a region and a winemaking technique.
80% of Champagne is made from Chardonnay. But you get a lot of people saying that Chardonnay is tacky, and only Champagne is good enough. Makes me laugh. []

E: I meant the taste; if I had meant the texture in that sense there's no way I would pass up the opportunity to use the word "squidgy". [] And it's pretty unlikely that anyone in England would not know what Brie is - it's eaten a lot over here. No doubt you're going to come back with some comment about only shipping the rubbish stuff over to us - but I have eaten it in France on many occasions too.

[ 11-21-2005, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: Athene ]

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Maybe someone should start a 'Foods around the World' thread in the Pony []
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Nash Rómerandir
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Actually, most of Champagne is made of a mix of different grapes ("Pinot Noir" being one of those that are used in a large majority of the mixes, even if only in small quantitites)... []

And, anyway, Chardonnay that has grown in Reims will not be the same grape that if it had grown in, say, Strasbourg... Since the soil composition, number of sunny days, amount of water received (etc) will not be the same, the fruit will be different...

[ 11-21-2005, 07:34 AM: Message edited by: Nash Rómerandir ]

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OK, but no KIMCHI.
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E: Exactly, which is why Cava is not Champagne and never will be, even though it is made from the same grapes and using the same techniques. And I do know it is a mix, and 80% of that mix is Cardonnay. I am obviously not explaining myself very well today. What I am trying to say is that, in Somerset they make a cheese which is almost identical to Brie except for the locality, and they call it Brie because people recognise the name and will know what they're getting.

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Nash Rómerandir
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The problem is that people actually don't know what they're getting... I can tell you, for example, that a lot of the people who say "champagne is over-rated" usually (that is if it's not simply because they don't like champagne --something which is 'normal') never drank the real stuff, or only the poorest example of what is produced here.

I think for example that the product from the Jacquart caves don't deserve the name champagne, that stuff is too "green" and tastes horribly... By "green" I mean it is usually made with non-mature grapes because to let them mature means risking to loose part of the fruits to the late summer's storms [] 'Quantity over quality' is something which doesn't fit with a "luxury" product such as champagne.
Even the famous "Cordon Rouge", which seems to be the most popular stuff outside of our boundaries, isn't top notch and isn't worth a "Piper Heidsieck" or a "Pommery"...

You may call me a snob, but I'd rather drink one glass of good champagne than ten of medium quality stuff, because the difference in taste and quality is huge! [] (And, actually, the difference in price is not that big...)

Even if to a lesser extant, the same is usually true with "the real McCoy" and the "local remakes" when it comes to cheese or any other local speciality. *shrugs*

[ 11-21-2005, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: Nash Rómerandir ]

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I agree about the Champagne. My mother went on a student exchange with a member of the Piper-Heidseik dynasty. That was a great summer apparently.... [] [] []

At the risk of kicking this off even further, I've just been to the local shop to get some lunch and seen..... Somerset Camembert!
Sacré bleu!!!!
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E: You should get your own back by making Double Gloucester in Nice!

[ 11-21-2005, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Athene ]

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*does a "better than thou" stunt*

One of my friends is the son of the head of Pommery... []

Bah, they can have Camembert as far as I'm concerned, I hate the stuff! []

[ 11-21-2005, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: Nash Rómerandir ]

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yo this's turned into a full-blown cheese debate!
*thinks Nash and Athene are members of this cheese forum

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Cuisine is a very serious matter!

There's a saying here: "You are what you eat"... I'd rather be a "Filet de Boeuf sauce aux cinq poivres sur lit de pommes sautées" than a "Big Mac" anyday! []

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Bloody French! First they steal our recipe for Brie, then they steal our expressions!
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Haven't you two got any work to do? []
If not, get a room []

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That's Mr Wang™ to you!
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This bog is thick and easy...

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[] No work to do today...

And waiting for the girlfriend to come back from her work... []

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Besides the "Sandwich" what did the Brits contributed to cuisine? []

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[ 11-21-2005, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Nash Rómerandir ]

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proper custard you ignoramus! [] []

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That's Mr Wang™ to you!
This place would be a paradise tomorrow if every department had a supervisor with a submachine gun.

This bog is thick and easy...

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Spotted Dick.
*with the air of one laying down the trump card*
So there.
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With what I mentioned is sheer joy Dubious []

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That's Mr Wang™ to you!
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This bog is thick and easy...

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