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The Laurenendôrian
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I'm not familiar with the term 'humdinger'.

Could it not run something like the following?
"Ignoring this proved a disruptively difficult experiance, but despite frustrations she acknowledged the truth; that proving anything would be a dangerous proposition, and that twice two makes four."

Edit: or would that call for 'truths' in place of 'truth'?

[ 04-28-2002, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: The Laurenendôrian ]

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Bethberry perhaps means that we would have a rather nice clause in place.

Laur, in the example you provided, it is my opinion that it would fit much better with a comma after "frustrations" and no punctuation before "that".

Let me see if I could suggest something for the present sentence.

[ 04-28-2002, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Lugbúrz ]

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Ignoring this proved a disruptively difficult experiance, but despite frustrations she acknowledged the truth; that proving anything would be a
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Example:
simple proposition, and would be completed in a short time, could no longer be hoped for.

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Maybe not any better.
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The Laurenendôrian
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Oh. I just went and changed the offending final word.
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The problem is the relationship of words and punctuation here:

quote:
truth; that
If you take out the semicolon, then what follows is not separated from what it moderates.

This is the simplest answer.

This is not a sentence:
quote:
that proving anything would be a dangerous proposition."
If we take out "that", then it will be.

[ 04-28-2002, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]

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quote:
that proving anything would be a dangerous proposition is something she had come to understand.

This is a complete sentence, is it not?
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Yes, indeed, Lug. That is what my first post said was needed if the semi-colon remains.

Brick by brick we structure a grammar; you are well named, it seems!

*dances a happy jig*

[ 04-28-2002, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]

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Then I think we may be able to salvage the sentence without any further changes.

*does not know how to dance very well, so sits down in a corner hoping nobody asks him to dance*

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*wonders if he is a dunce for thinking the story at present a bit confusing*
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I agree with everything you have said Mandin. []

I find it hard to understand how researching one's roots for a year is not resolve enough. "unattainable" is not realisitic, I mean I feel resolved if I can research anything specific for more than a couple of months.

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Would it be alright if I joined your RP?
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To those wishing to join the story:
please read the first post of this thread, as it contains all of the relevant information.

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Laurenendorian - I did read the instructions. Honest.
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Well in that case, you may just have stumbled across the bit in there giving details about joining in.
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Perhaps I may join?
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Ok, continuing our discussion in this thread where it should be. Owing to everyone avoiding this thread, I posted there directly.

Cern: I know it was written as the sentence developed, but our intent should be to try to make it fit. Since this was not done, and in my opinion very difficult in this case, we must either edit the sentence or delete the punctuation.

Or just let Laur worry about it. []

[] Wandering Tuor: you're a really lonely soul. []

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Moved here:

Lug is correct. The comma is redundant after the parentheses and in fact separates items which ought not to be separated (verb and adverbial phrase). Punctuation for included units must be correlative and that is accomplished by the ( ).

Reference: A University Grammar of English, Quirk and Greenbaum, Longmans. Appendix III.5.

The sentence in question:

quote:
Now that others were following the same path, she needed a guide who would be able, without fail, to show her the path that would not lead (even though dangers were inevitable), straight into trouble.
Bb

[ 05-09-2002, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]

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Laur,

I believe that the correct word here would be might rather than may:
quote:
Well in that case, you may just have stumbled across the bit in there giving details about joining in.
may=permission
might=probability

Again, reference is Quirk and Greenbaum.

Bb

[ 05-09-2002, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Bethberry ]

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Bethberry, I don't believe that I've heard that before. Consulting the Collins dictionary tells me that might is the past and subjunctive form of may. Given in the possible meanings of both words is one which indicates possibility, and under might it says that that usage might be seen as a weak form of the corresponding meaning of may.

It also has a more detailed note on usage:
quote:
The difference between may and might is one of emphasis: he might be coming usually indicates less certainty than he may be coming. Similarly, might I have it? is felt to be more hesitant than may I have it?
You may demolish my argument.
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Oh, I agree that comma is ungrammatical. A pair of parentheses should not create any extra punctuation in the rest of the sentence (that which is not contained by them, that is).
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I've only just read this . . perhaps the next time the story is written out in full the offending comma could be abolished.

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That sounds like a reasonable solution.
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Hello, I hope that you all did not mind me just butting in like that. The story is going good isnt it.
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If I start to get in the way, tell me.

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