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*sigh* I simply mean that I don't think Obama would actually risk losing so much support. Sure that applies to all politicians, though many politicians have more substance than our current president.
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Right. Like whom? And about what? And would he/she/they hold their personal substance in a higher regard than the political will of the country that elected them to office? I realize how asinine the question is, but you can't snipe at a politician for playing politics, and then decline to say anything about that which he was engaging in politics about.
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Ney: I don't think he can risk losing so much popularity. It's all he has.
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Cirdan: Could a president with an idea you liked (as your opinion sounds quite loaded to me, correct me if I'm reading in something that isn't there) remain a viable political figure in the United States without popularity?
Throughout Obama's reign the poll numbers supporting his policies have trailed his popularity numbers by a considerable margin. Despite your obviously loaded opinion Cirdan, Ney is absolutely correct. The disparity between substance and perception clearly shows that his personal popularity is obviously Obama's strong point, the public sentiment towards his policies and ideas has been lukewarm at best.
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What popularity numbers? Versus what polls regarding what policies? And they were separated by what margin? When? My personal feelings about Barack Obama aside, I only come down on Ney (and now you) for backing up negative opinions of a public figure with absolutely nothing.
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The disparity between substance and perception clearly shows that his personal popularity is obviously Obama's strong point
Oh, right, the disparity you've failed to cite. And the personal popularity you've failed to quantify, and have pitted against reactions to issues you've left unidentified. TINSTAAFL.
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TINSTAAFL.
[] What are you.. 12 ? Speak English.

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What popularity numbers? Versus what polls regarding what policies? And they were separated by what margin? When?
Do you watch any news shows at all? CNN for one, tracks a variety of polls, on a variety of issues (health care, stimulus, war) on a weekly basis. If you think folks are going to commit these stats to memory just so they might be recited whenever you want to play the contrarian you're nuts. The trend is obvious, at this stage the man is much more popular than his politics. If you're not objective enough to see it on your own that's your bad not mine.
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There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
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Ummm... guys. It's supposed to be "TANSTAAFL", "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch". It's from Robert Heinlein's classic novel, "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress".

Respect the 'Lein!!!!!!!
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I know: Wikipedia proposed the alternative to avoid the dreaded double negative. []
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They DARED to desecrate the works of R.A.H.?!?! BASTERDS!!!!
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Well, Wikipedia is the spearhead of a socialist conspiracy, you know.
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Oops. In my own defense, I didn't check Wikipedia, just forgot the ain't.

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Do you watch any news shows at all? CNN for one, tracks a variety of polls, on a variety of issues (health care, stimulus, war) on a weekly basis. If you think folks are going to commit these stats to memory just so they might be recited whenever you want to play the contrarian you're nuts.
To be honest, no, I don't watch news on television. But since you do, you ought to be quite up to date on all sorts of examples and data. As far as 'playing the contrarian' goes, you have me at a loss: I haven't actually objected to anything you've said (since you haven't said anything). I've just been trying to goad you into taking a position and to defend that position with evidence, all in an effort to promote substantive discussion, which I'm much more interested in reading than in vacuous, opinionated statements regarding the 'state of affairs'.

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Throughout Obama's reign the poll numbers supporting his policies have trailed his popularity numbers by a considerable margin. Despite your obviously loaded opinion Cirdan, Ney is absolutely correct. The disparity between substance and perception clearly shows that his personal popularity is obviously Obama's strong point, the public sentiment towards his policies and ideas has been lukewarm at best.
With all due respect, Mad, the same was true of Reagan in the early 80's. You could substitute "Reagan" for "Obama" in every case above, go back in time 28 years, and publish it as an op-ed. It's the source of my cynicism about politics in general: People at the extremes will believe what they believe no matter what, and people in the middle will continue to sway back and forth. The cycle's faster now than it used to be thanks to modern media, but it's "the same as it ever was."
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With all due respect, Mad, the same was true of Reagan in the early 80's. You could substitute "Reagan" for "Obama" in every case above, go back in time 28 years, and publish it as an op-ed.
Bomby, I don't believe I ever implied that this set of circumstances is unique to Obama, or that this is even rare. My statement was this...

at this stage the man is much more popular than his politics.

..and I stand by it. It's far from being an extremist point of view, in fact it's rather benign, it's just stating the obvious. []


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I've just been trying to goad you
That's quite obvious, which is why our conversation is ended. You can go attempt to manipulate somewhere else now.

[ 09-04-2009, 04:18 AM: Message edited by: Madomir ]

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Barack Obama should - if this story is correct, which I would not rule out of hand - send a than you-card to Président Sarkozy. I'm generally supportive of the US President, and not opposed to Prime Minister Erdogan, but this would have been really too much.

In other, more amusing news: Joe Scarborough for President? []

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Bomby, I don't believe I ever implied that this set of circumstances is unique to Obama, or that this is even rare.
Nor was it my intent to imply that you implied . . . [] well, what I mean is, I was just using that to explain my cynical attitude toward the American public and its political views. []
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Madomir, you seem to be correct in your evaluation of our exchange as having gone essentially nowhere, but in the worst possible way; instead of making a point, Bombadil has made it for you, namely that you could "go back in time 28 years, and publish [what you've been saying] as an op-ed", or, as you've put it less flatteringly, as "stating the obvious." Maybe you're okay with spouting loads of meaningless drivel, but I can't imagine anyone but you finds it interesting or stimulating.
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Maybe you're okay with spouting loads of meaningless drivel,
[] Loads? That's you my friend. You're the one that wants to "goad" me into transforming a bullet point statement into a master's thesis complete with bibliography. What's next? Shall I supply signed affidavits from 15 leading meteorologists to back up my whacked out theory that rain is wet? If you found the statement so uninteresting and beneath you why did you get your panties in such a bunch when Ney (not I) originally mentioned it? []
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Well one poll area where Obama seems to be slipping is on how he is handling the economy. Apparently, some people expect it to be fixed already >_>. Correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldnt the recovery take years and years despite stimuli and newer laws/regulations because it took years and years for the economy to reach the tipping point of recession? You cannot fix an economic problem like that that has been breeding for several years in a matter of mere months [] . I thought it worked like this: If we had "x" number of years of growth, then we will have "x - a bit" years of decline :s. Boom and bust?

Also, what's up with his speech. Why are people afraid of it :s. Some people are saying he has no right to do it, but didn't previous presidents also do it? Democrat or Republican, he is still the leader of the nation, and I think he has a right to speak to his people. Also, I doubt he can force his agenda on children [] . IMO, the real reason some republicans fear this speech is because the kids are going to say "OMG DAT GUY IS COOL, IDK WHAT HE SAID BUT HES COOL! WOOT!". Well, charisma and wit are traits of leadership.

If someone who is against Obama's speech towards kids can please provide your reasoning, I would love to hear it [] .

I <3 debates

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldnt the recovery take years and years despite stimuli and newer laws/regulations because it took years and years for the economy to reach the tipping point of recession?
Ok, you're wrong. Recovery doesn't taken years "in spite" of stimuli and newer laws/regulations, but because of such: these always prolong economic down-turns by obfuscating market-corrections... unless you're of the opinion that it's wise to mortgage the Taj Majal to those turned away from a trailer-park for bad credit.

But politicians keep on picking that scab via blaming capitalism for the mess they made by buying votes with hand-outs, in order to buy MORE votes with MORE hand-outs: and so the wound never heals, but only gets worse. (Bush must have really screwed up big-time in order to get this bozo elected in his place.)

Finally, Obama never said that it would take years and years-- he only said that he would only raise taxes on businesses earning over $250,000, while ignoring that this would just increase prices even more, unless he instituted price-controls (which would really mess things up, leading to shoddy products, shortages and rationing).

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If someone who is against Obama's speech towards kids can please provide your reasoning, I would love to hear it
Same reason any species protects their young from jackals.
P.S. A programmed speech to a captive audience of children against the wishes of their parents, isn't a "debate..." it's an indoctrination.

Círdan:
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And would he/she/they hold their personal substance in a higher regard than the political will of the country that elected them to office?
Hate to break it to ya, but that's the recipe of the regime.

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Here's an interesting post that addresses some of Grim's points regarding the quality of cancer treatment in the US and Europe. According to The Economist, at least, the differences are minimal. Of course, in socialist France, the nanny state prevents many people from losing all their wealth by getting cancer. Terrible.

More here.

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P.S. A programmed speech to a captive audience of children against the wishes of their parents, isn't a "debate..." it's an indoctrination.
Didn't Reagan and Bush I give such speeches, too? And those who were indoctrinated then voted, as we all know, overwhelmingly Republican this last time around. []

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So tell me Supra, what is the content of Obama's speech? We called the school my children attend and they couldn't tell us anything about the content. Also, as to how this is being handled. They sent home a notice Friday telling us that the speech and that they had no idea what was going to be in it. They also said some class would be watching it and some wouldn't.

So what is the topic of the speech. Is it going to be more of the "ALL HAIL OBAMA" crap, or is it going to be a pep talk about staying in school, staying away from drugs, Or reporting your parents that throw the newspaper away instead of recycling it? Or even worse, reporting those parents that don't agree with the policies of Obama?

I'm told that the outline of the speech will be available sometime today (Monday the 7th). We are only finding out about the content less then 24 hours before school starts. This just totally smells of hidden agendas and propaganda. I'm considering keeping my children home from school because of this speech. []

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If you do that, I hope that your kids are not watching any advertisement, or any non-fiction programme on TV. Or else, your behaviour is entirely hypocritical.
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Yeah, it's some form of mind control and propaganda...no doubt. Probably has horrible socialist, liberal messages like....
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Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.

You can’t drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.

You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.

They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.

But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.

So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?

So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don’t let us down – don’t let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.

That dirty commie!!!
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Yeah, I'm definitely keeping my child home. I don't want him to hear such liberal hogwash. []
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You're a good parent....for a guitar player. []
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