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Elora Starsong
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Found this an intriguing perspective on Tea Party-ism for antipodeans:

Why the US has a Tea Party and Australia Doesn't

I didn't even know they tried to kick this particular party off in this country. Can't decide if I'm offended at the presumption that US politics would apply here or not. We are not a client of the USA, but an ally. This is an important distinction as we reach the anniversary of the ANZUS Treaty.

Forgot to add that once again there is a plan for the President to visit these shores in November. I say plan, because we've been told of impending visit only to be stood up before. Am I excited? Not particularly.... Visiting heads of foreign states don't float my boat be they elected or crowned or personality megastars from TV land.

[ 09-16-2011, 01:37 AM: Message edited by: Elora Starsong ]

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I liked that article. Yeah, the Tea Party is very solidly based in the idea that the government shouldn't have as much control over citizens and their money as the current US government does. It goes right back into our roots as a country and taps into some of the mythos as well.

What people tend to think the Tea Party is based on mainstream media "reports" (see: smears) and what the Tea Party actually is (people who want lower taxes and smaller government) are two different things. Glad to see that article doesn't go into the lies and bad-mouthing so many articles in the US do []

*wears a Don't Tread on Me pin on her lapel*

I [] Australia. It's probably the only other country in the world I could live in happily.

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I have to differ with your opinion on the 'Tea Party' there NTB. Maybe it was in it's infancy started with that intention, but has long ago been co-opted by the lunatic fringe right and corporate fat-cats. A government can't function without a fair tax system, and while corporations and financial institutions get away with paying little to no tax, and even get the common taxpayer's money in bailouts, the system breaks down. America could not even attempt to build an interstate highway system like it did in the 50's, or develop hydroelectric projects like it did in the 30's, or manage to conduct a war on the scale of world war 2 in it's present state. Less government is a good ideal, but everyone sure wants government when they need it.

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According to the Left, anyone who wants traditional limits on government has been “co-opted by corporate fat-cats.” [] In the real world, Big Government, not small government, is usually co-opted by corporate fat-cats. Just ask Solyndra.
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Perhaps Corporate Fat Cats can be found in lots of places: left, right, up, down, government, non government...

Perhaps the Corporate Fat Cats are the true nemesis, infiltrating and suborning key elements of society. Now, there's a conspiracy theory I could entertain for a moment. []

Bad fat corporate kitties... Who are these faceless overweight evil cats? Wait, the moment has passed and I no longer care.

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Darn that 30-second attention-span... thank you TV! []
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TV? Nah... Just difficult to sustain sufficient interest to power conspiracy theory credulity concerning a foreign nation. *yawn*
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What's everyone's opinion on Herman Cain? Sounds like an interesting candidate IMO.
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I think that he is a good man. He, however, has never held a political office, and I feel that President of the United States is not the place to start.
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True, but he might make an interesting VP. []
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I would definitely agree with the word "interesting". Indeed. []
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Ross Perot, then Donald Trump, now Herman Cain: three business-moguls who claimed they can run the country better than experienced delegates, when the president of the USA doesn't even have anywhere near the power over the country, that a company-president over the company.
Need I even continue regarding the obvious problems with such a scenario?


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TV? Nah... Just difficult to sustain sufficient interest to power conspiracy theory credulity concerning a foreign nation. *yawn*
I thought we were talking about corporate fatcats?
That's not so much a conspiracy, so much as simply inevitable whenever lobbying pays.

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An observation here... President Obama actually decided to ask Congress whether he should take limited military strikes on Syria. Of course we know that President Clinton ordered some Cruise Missles launched on some camps in Africa, and Bush made up some BS about WMDs to go finish what dad couldn't finish in Iraq. So this is an interesting step in light of the fact that WMD gas was actually used in Syria. i think it sets a good precedent.
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I don't know what to think of that, honestly. It seems he's looking for a face-saving means to withdraw from the 'red-line' that he foolishly publicly announced. He would win, in a sense, whatever way the votes go.

Assad has shown that he will fight to the last Syrian, and bring the whole country to ruin, just as Hitler did. After being attacked by the US and France, it is always possible he'll feel he has nothing to lose, and then all hell could break loose in the region. Further, if he is overthrown, who'll take his place and how will he build a consensus amongst all of the factions, from the liberal democrats who started the uprising, to the various extremist elements? It's a huge mess, and I think Obama would be happy to climb down from his rhetoric.

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Likely end up as Egypt has.
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Obamacare: We told you so. []
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Yes. He should've completely nationalized the health system, then the US might compare to civilized nations.
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Hmmm. [] Upon reflection, I have decided that I would rather be a wild-eyed barbarian with really good healthcare than a paragon of civilization waiting in line for government-run healthcare.

Besides, given what is going in Ukraine right now, wouldn't you like to have a few barbarians on your side? []

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You're a brainwashed goof. I live in a country where I can get an appointment with my doctor the same day that I call, and, on average, a two week waiting period for a referral to a specialist or specialized testing. That applies to non-emergency situations. Emergencies I've never had to wait more than 10 minutes.

I suggest you get out of your little village in Bumphuck America and learn something. []

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Zzzzzing.
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You're a brainwashed goof. I suggest you get out of your little village in Bumphuck America and learn something. []
Bing bing BINNNG!
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Right. [] I just made up stories about ambulance stacking and long wait times.

For all its flaws, American healthcare pre-Obama was the best in the world by some measures. [] That’s my view, but then, I’m brainwashed by actuarial science.

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Furthermore, it is my opinion that Obamacare must be repealed.

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I could make a list like that too. []
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Yeah, well, it’s just one example of a broader fact-pattern. []

I’m sorry if it sounds like petty nationalistic pride. [] It’s not meant to be a put-down of other countries.

I don’t intend to claim that everything we do in America is sunshine & roses. [] Quite the contrary. In healthcare, we have plenty of problems. The government sector, especially Medicare, is too large and too “unregulated,” for lack of a better term. That is to say, we don’t have sufficient checks on overpayment, or sufficient feedback mechanisms to encourage reasonable self-rationing. The cost-benefit trade-off is skewed towards overspending.

We also have a counterproductive tort system which adds to costs. [] It promotes defensive medicine and drives high-risk specialists out of business.

It’s not about national pride. [] It’s about the wisdom of markets. []

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Furthermore, it is my opinion that Obamacare must be repealed.

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... from a country with nationalized healthcare ...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/doctor-contracts-dispute-government-takes-off-gloves-20140320-354qc.html

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/doctors-reject-amended-contracts-20140320-353j5.html

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