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White Gold Wielder
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He's one that I never noticed myself in my readings.

Did Shadowfax leave Middle Earth with Gandalf?

When I heard this question, I can't believe I never noticed it before - Shadowfax is not specifically mentioned in 'The Grey Havens', only a great grey horse.

I guess we all assume it is Shadowfax, but it is never mentioned if the horse boards the ship. Perhaps Cirdan takes care of him. Perhaps he just goes out to stud.

Any opinions / evidence out there?


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Doesn't Gandalf say somewhere(I think it is where the last army of the eorlingas pass out) that he and Shadowfax is not to be parted anymore AT THIS SIDE OF THE SEA? If so, it would mean that they where to be parted when Gandalf had to depart.
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The good Professor's own thoughts on this are revealed in Letter # 268 of Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien.
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Now I have made a litle resarch, and Gandalf did say something like it. He said:

quote:

Far let us ride now together, and part not in this world again!

He didn't say it when the last host of the mark sat out, but when he revealed himself to Legolas, Aragorn an Gimli.

What I am trying to say is that it isn't possible that they would ever be parted if they both came over the sea.
So if they ever was to be parted, as Gandalf hinted that they sooner or later would, but not in this world, it would probably be there.
I'm looking forward to see the other solutions on this matter.


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Nimruzir, would you care to enlighten us what is in that letter?
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Nimruzir, would you care to enlighten us what is in that letter?

Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
#268
From a letter to Miss A. P. Northey
19 January 1965

I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of 'real' history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special race (II 126,129, III 346)1 being as it were an Elvish equivalent of ordinary horses : his 'blood' came from 'West over Sea'. It would not be unfitting for him to 'go West'. Gandalf was not 'dying', or going by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on 'beyond the circles of the world': he was going home, being plainly one of the 'immortals', an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last seen riding Shadowfax (III 276). He must have ridden to the Havens, and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the horse; but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering, he could hardly have been forgotten.


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thank you, now the matter is clear to all =)
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It is also known that Shadowfax was the last of the line of Mearas, another indicator that Shadowfax left M.E.
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very good point, for if he had died, we surely would have known.
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Shadowfax taking ship is also mentioned in a version of the LotR "epilogue" published in HoMe. Cheers~
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Conclusion:
Shadowfax did indeed travel with Gandalf to Valinor, for Shadowfax was the last of the line of Mearas and was said to never have parted with Gandalf again in Middle Earth

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Are you refering to this passage frome the End of the third age(HMC pg 123) cian?


quote:

Shadowfax went in the white ship with gGandalf of course. I saw it myself.



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Right Fingolfin, from "The Epilogue" (2nd version) in Sauron Defeated. Cheers~
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